yeah better than stupid altezzas....they actually remind me of somethig european, like a bnz or something. Can you do me a favor and drop that car though? There's a kid around here with 17"s on his civic and I swear it looks like he's got a lift kit on it or something! I saw a kid with 18"s on an RSX and no lowering and I swear if I ran at it with enough force I could tip it over! Must be good to be able to change your oil without jacking the car though lol j/k