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I sent an email to contourdreamz, but I will say a lil bit here. I don't care who develops the Turbo. Chris...Great! Someone else....Great! But what I do care about is... is it a good design, is it reliable, is it CARB approved, is it legal, even here in CA, is it better than the POS Vortech I now have????? I commend all who are willing to take my great handling SVT (H&Rs, Konis, 22mm rear sway bar, Sparco strut tower brace) to a higher power level with reliability. I had a real nice car, till I put a Vortech on. It has been a headache since. You all keep me posted, please! I am someone willing to spend some coin on my car. I already hqave!!!

Jim

NO turbo kit will EVER be CARB approved because it removes the stock pre-cats!

So your folks that live in sorry CA are out of luck...

Will you ever see a turbo kit based on the stock manifolds. Only if you (or local shop) make it yourself. Hope you have lots of cash handy... Yes that sounds harsh, but it's the plain & obvious truth...

Also you can see (first hand) what happens when a company (Vortech) goes by what "worked on other cars" and applies it to ours. IMO someone jumping into this just to get some business is absolutely NOT the one to go with for a well designed system...
Your Vortech (any Vortech owner) is the ultimate proof and they even did a little research.

In keeping with the "cats before the turbo" that DemonSVT was talking about. I know that I, for one, would not be comfortable having any kind of cat accidentally throwing pieces of itself through the turbo. Now that I think about it, the first company that was going to make the turbo kit for us, we had planned it that way. In hind sight, I'm sort of glad it didn't go through.


In addition to what Jim was saying about CARB approval, and the Vortech kit. When did an open element air filter become CARB approved??? The Vortech kit comes with one. A crappy one at that.

-Chris

Chris, could you please explain more of what you mean? I did not see anything that you listed as a concern for the Duratech to be exclusive of the Duratech and to not also apply to the Honda,Nissan and DSM engines as well. I'm sorry but I'm a little bit confused.

"Oil, oil, oil... Intake manifold, secondaries, ignition, EEC-V, MAF (not too special there), domestic, V6, waterpump, etc."

Oiling issues (known problem as is, much less with another item to feed)
Dual runner intake manifold
Secondaries and IMRC point for such
EEC-V (the PCM, OBD-II)
Domestic (that's obvious)
V6 (2 banks of cylinders compared to 1 as in I-4) Routing and making equal length piping
Waterpump on the backside on the engine. Routing the lines to the turbo, finding room for both. Electric waterpump? placement, routing and wiring
Returnless fuel system

Those are a few of the items in question.

What kind of experience does Street Flight have in adding massive amounts of power to the Duratec?

OK let me try again! Demon you stepped up to the plate so here goes. 1.Oiling issues: ALL turbo's need oil so I dont get it. 2.Dual runner intake manifold: What is the problem there? 3.OBD-II. What is the problem there as well? 4.Domestic[thats obvious]. Well whats so obvious? Are you implying that because the Duratech is supposedly a domestic engine that it is somehow very difficult to turbocharge? 5.V6. What is the problem with tubocharging a V6? It has been done many,many times. 6.Water Pump. What does that have to do with the Turbo? 7.Returnless fuel system. Whats the problem there? I have installed Turbo's on 2 cars with returnless fuel systems. I dont see it as a issue. 8.Room to place the turbo. I do agree there, that is 1 of 2 things that have stopped me from installing a turbo on my Contour. The other is the high compression. I'm not going to tear down a new engine and replace the pistons just to put on a turbo.

Street Flight alone has only messed with getting a lot of power out of an N/A Duratec with intake, exhuast, fuel control, etc. (+20-30HP) But with the combination of Terry and Street Flight we should have this kit in the bag.

RedSVT,

Those particular "features" of the Duratec aren't necessarily going to be problems, they are just something to be kept in mind while designing the kit. The oiling issue is not for the turbo, it's for the engine. I case you haven't been reading the forums for the past few years, there is an oiling issue with the Duratec.

-Chris

I am completely biased when it comes to this topic so I have been trying to keep quiet. I will state just the objective facts:

Street Flight

-Helped with the install of the first A'PEXi S-AFC in a contour

-Has over 300 dyno runs of just contours...120 of them are mine

-Has a combined team of 40 years working at the proving grounds developing products

-Is developing other products for the contour that are to be released shortly..i.e zetec CAI

-Will be building this kit on the dyno

A lot of man hours and opportunity time will be used in this and to make a kit for 80 people who "said" yeah I'll take one. This is a huge gamble for any business and proof of interest doesn't seem to unreasonable.

These are very good issues and topics to discuss w/ potential turbocharger kit suppliers, but to say that a company can't handle or won't deal w/ these issues listed is supposition at this point. I have talked to contourdreamz and he and his men seem very confident in their ability to make a turbo kit for our cars. I have discussed several potential problems with them already and they are not deterred. If ANYONE has any issues they would like cleared up for personal interest in doing a kit through them, contact them or me.
I know some - many - people are doubtful on their ability to do our cars b/c they've never done one. I think that's BS b/c if that were true then NO ONE would be making a kit. Someone has to be first and if there's a first then there can be a second.