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And I aint?? Just becuase I don't have "go" mods that does not make him more or less an enthusiast. We just choose to mod our car diffrently. To be perfectly honest I believe putting a turbo on a tour/cougar whatever is a waste of money IMHO. People would say the same thing about 19's and HID's. See what I mean?? We are all enthusiast's we just do things differently.

-Antonio

Finally somebody that gets it!!!! Now the trick is to have that knowledge and not feel superior to everyone around you. I think you have it. Sure would be nice if more people felt like you do!

Some cars are easier to mod or take mods better than others. If you are wanting cheap, reliable, easy to mod in terms of raw horsepower and handling, there is a massive aftermarket for a number of other platforms than the Contour/Cougar one. ANY FWD platform (especially one that has its roots in being built for fleet duty) is going to have a higher obstacle barrier to overcome in certain areas (handling, traction/weight transfer limitations at takeoff, HP limits).

Regardless, there are people out there (I'm one of them to an extent, though compared to some here I should run off and hide) that enjoy the challenge of squeezing every ounce of available, useable power and handling out of a platform, damn the possible consequences. I don't think anyone will argue the potential "gotchas" on a TC'd/SC'd Contour, because they exist and if you plan to thrash/abuse the car given these weak spots (diff., stock crank damper, weak motor mounts, sinter forged con rods, etc.), don't b(tch and moan when you blow something up, because if you've spent any time at all on these boards, you've got to be MINIMALLY aware of the issues of putting 50% and up power on this platform.

To me, the risks are justified, especially when I plan to have a tranny built to handle the abuse and if money holds up, have my engine internals upgraded for the turbo that I hope to purchase in the next 6 months. Crazy? Maybe, but it's my money. Would it be better spent on a SC for the C5? Probably. In terms of the C5 platform being able to handle the abuse, ABSOLUELY. Than again, I'm running close to 400HP on her right now and it scares the hell out of me, especially when I go corner carving with the active handling off. Chalk that up to me not having NEAR enough driving experience/ability to approach the car's limits, which are formidable. With another 150-200HP on tap, I'm looking at something (for me personally) that's getting close to being unstreetable...

Then there's the sleeper factor to consider with the Contour, and the fact that some people just don't want to follow the crowd on things (you WON'T be seeing a TC'd Contour at every street corner).

In short, to each his own. One man's folly is another man's wisdom. Sure, there are guys that have got $100K sunk in to 9 sec. Honda Civics to where a quarter of that could get you a Mustang that could do that and better. Apparently they see something in it. I don't, because my "enthusiasm" and financial limits (I DO want to retire someday, so I'm not going to raid my savings and the like on a automobile) won't let me sink that into a car. $10K, maybe.

If you're into modding a car for financial gain, I suggest you take a closer look at the financials. I personally don't sink any $$$ into ANY hobby that I can't stuff in a fireplace and burn. I do it for ENJOYMENT, as I think a great many of us here do. However, not all of us have the money/enthusiasm to live with the potential risks that a TC'd/SC'd Duratec brings into the equation.

Let your conscience be your guide.

I agree with you 100% Antonio.

However it's when people just start bad mouthing things repetively for no apparent reason & with no basis that doesn't make sense.

So Sandman doesn't think the turbo is worth the money. I can live with that.
However any time the subject comes up he (and others) jump in and belittle and bad mouth anything & everyone related or supportive of "other enthusiast's ideas".

I can understand telling people your feelings once or twice on the subject. Heck if I couldn't I'd be one hell of a hypocrit. However 10+ times in the same post and every time even the hint of a certain type of topic comes up folks go off like a broken record. Get freakin' real people! It's not like this is a lone or even rare occurance...

Fine; you don't want one and think it costs far too much. I get it. I've heard your "opinion". Now let we "other enthusiasts" talk about the ideas "we" think do count for something.
I don't go to the Aesthetics forum and tear into anyone doing mods I think are pointless, ricey, degrading performance, and a complete waste of time.
Some common courtesy would be nice for a change.

BTW - I've always been god. Where have you been??? Sheesh... :rolleyes: :p

Didn't you get the memo? If you don't agree with him, you're not an enthusiast. Hmm, I track my car more than probably anyone on here, but since I prefer to leave well enough alone, I'm not an enthusiast. People need to invest more in driver training. I regularly take out cars with 100hp advantage over me (on the track).

But you know what? I did an SVT On-Track event a few years back, and I was one of 2 SVT Contours there. There were a slew of Cobras and Lightnings. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't keep up with a 99 Cobra. (Both of our cars were stock) Whoever says the SVT Contour has this incredible handling advantage is crazy. Going into some hot corners, my back end started getting floaty around 90mph, while the Cobras was planted firmly at even greater speeds. The same story was told at the Auto-X later that day.

And this is a heavy 320hp Cobra. Have fun with your FWD frankenstein, but I saw the light, and won't own another one.

think you just hit the nail on the head there...

I agree 100%. You have my courtesy as well. Now lets all put this to the side this thread has gone way, way, way OT. I am partly to blame. Now that I understand all sides( Sujeet, you are great!) I will back out and watch, and show my... courtesy.

-Antonio

Thanks buddy, you're not so bad yourself.. :p

And therein lies your problem. You can self-worship all you want, just understand that no one else is looking up to you for it.

Demon-

It's put up or shut up time. You show me where in this thread I bashed anyone. You show me where in this thread I stated that I thought turboing the 'Tour was a bad idea.

You can't do either, which makes you a liar. Time to admit you lied, shut up, and save what little dignity you have left.

I never could stand a liar, it's the one thing that gets to me more than anything else.