|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 3,584
Member
|
Member
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 3,584 |
WOW those hp #'s are comparable to the S/C but hopefully more reliable. Also did you guys go ahead and put in a Quafe/Torsen LSD and new clutch while you were at it? I hope so because I wanna hear ALL the kill stories and minimal stories about "downtime"  Good luck with your cars guys and remember....15w50 Mobil 1 now 
Roger R SVT/SHO Society SE MI rep 2000 CSVT #1253 of 2150 silver frost/midnight blue 2-8" dark blue racing stripes Mequiars...simply the best! "...and number 5, now this is the most important Rat, when it comes to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin 4" USMondeo@aol.com
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,201
Moderator
|
Moderator
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,201 |
20W 50...  It's a little warmer here.
If it's true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,848
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,848 |
do you need to run a heavier oil on a boosted engine? just wondering.
1999 Silver Frost SVT #609 of 2760 Born on 12/3/98
KKM Intake Removed Resonator 35% Window Tint all around Tinted Tail Lights ElKy Mesh Grilles HID
Dyno'ed at 175.3HP/155.5TQ
"How much must I live through just to get away..."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,847
Member
|
Member
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,847 |
Originally posted by Icey Mike: The Cobra's torque curve is large enough to overcome the weight difference. Um, this theory has been proven just recently by SCC comparing a Lotus Elise with a Mustang R. The Elise weighed in around 1600lbs where as the Mustang weighed in at 3000+.
I cant remember the exact performance numbers, but the Elise out performed the Cobra by at least 1 second throughout the whole test. And I have to mention that this particular car only has 150HP with proportional torque! I will take a look at my back issues and post the results.That's a good deal more weight difference than the Contour vs Cobra issue. The Cobra should be able to easily put out over 100 ft lbs more torque throughout the entire RPM range vs the turbo'd Tour, given light mods or not, depending on the turbo's final tune numbers. The weight difference is what, 500 lbs max? And we are comparing a launch happy RWD with a decidely launch unhappy FWD? IMO, it's no contest, the Cobra will win hands down. Don't feel so bad, you have to spend $35,000+ before tax, title, yada, yada, yada for an entry fee into the Cobra. You shouldn't expect to outrun one in your SVT, turbo or no turbo. Don't forget, the 03 Cobras are pretty much running away from C5 Corvettes bone stock.
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George W. Bush
95 Contour SE ATX V6 "Cracked" Secondaries DMD Installed SVT Brakes
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,899
Member
|
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,899 |
We gotta get a T/C and S/C Contour to race each other. 
Dan Parmelee 1999 Acura Integra SiR-G coupe "I heard Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms" "Word, bitch! Phantoms like a muhfuka"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,180
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,180 |
Sandman's pretty much covered all of my points.. The weight difference between an SVT (with the Turbo kit) and a Cobra or C5 isn't that much, 400lbs at most. I'll still stand behind my claim that the RWD and torque advantage will more than make up for the weight penalty, not to mention where in the curve the HP is being made.
My price comparison is based on the initial price of the SVT (since most of us bought the car new), plus the cost of the Turbo, Quaife, and installation. You're right at the price of a used C5 or 99/01 Cobra. Still no contest. Or you could buy a used 3000GT, 300ZX, or 2nd Gen Eclipse Turbo, with about $10K left over to make it RIDICULOUSLY fast. Or even a moderate mileage Supra. Or even a pimped out turbo Civic with NAWZ! :>
Keep trying to justify it, but unless you plan on keeping the car forever, it doesn't make sense. You'll be kicking yourself after you blow the motor too, in famous SVT fashion. Warranty? What warranty?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,180
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,180 |
Originally posted by RMk: I paid $15k for mine. Uh-huh.. Add $5K for the turbo, $2K for the Quaife and installation (better get a heavy-duty clutch while you're at it), and labor to install the Turbo ($2K sound fair?), and you're still tipping the scales at around $24-25K. Kind of ridiculous for a car that has a blue book value of around $8500. There's a Subaru dealership that's got 2002 WRXs on clearance for $19,500. Use that other $4500 on mods and you'll be running 12s. 4 doors, AWD, new car, no contest.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,447
Member
|
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,447 |
Originally posted by Officer Cartman: Originally posted by RMk: [b]I paid $15k for mine. Uh-huh.. Add $5K for the turbo, $2K for the Quaife and installation (better get a heavy-duty clutch while you're at it), and labor to install the Turbo ($2K sound fair?), and you're still tipping the scales at around $24-25K. Kind of ridiculous for a car that has a blue book value of around $8500.
[/b]I'm gonna go out on limb here: What if RMK has the capablities to do all this work himself, saving thousands in labor for such a crazy project (boosting a 4 door :rolleyes: ) Making his car one of a kind and a total sleeper to those guys in Vette's and Cobra's that think they are to cool? That seems like a nice picture I just painted, 4 door sedan smoking a true sports car. If your looking to just be plain out the fastest car on earth, I agree the car is not he best platform. But thats not what I am after if your a true enthusiast and cars are your hobby, I would say that a one off car or a car messaged (sp?) to the owner's taste or power is way cooler than any stock American Car (some imports must be excluded) People do all sorts of crazy things with their money, cars are bad investments period. You have to drive though and you live once, might as well enjoy whats yours.
2000 SVT Contour #1077/2150 MSDS Headers/B&M Shifter/H&R's/
1995 Contour SE V6 #????/Tons KnuProject, awaiting mass mods
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,847
Member
|
Member
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,847 |
Originally posted by KnuKonceptz: Originally posted by Officer Cartman: [b] Originally posted by RMk: [b]I paid $15k for mine. Uh-huh.. Add $5K for the turbo, $2K for the Quaife and installation (better get a heavy-duty clutch while you're at it), and labor to install the Turbo ($2K sound fair?), and you're still tipping the scales at around $24-25K. Kind of ridiculous for a car that has a blue book value of around $8500. [/b] I'm gonna go out on limb here:
What if RMK has the capablities to do all this work himself, saving thousands in labor for such a crazy project (boosting a 4 door :rolleyes: ) Making his car one of a kind and a total sleeper to those guys in Vette's and Cobra's that think they are to cool? That seems like a nice picture I just painted, 4 door sedan smoking a true sports car. If your looking to just be plain out the fastest car on earth, I agree the car is not he best platform. But thats not what I am after
if your a true enthusiast and cars are your hobby, I would say that a one off car or a car messaged (sp?) to the owner's taste or power is way cooler than any stock American Car (some imports must be excluded)
People do all sorts of crazy things with their money, cars are bad investments period. You have to drive though and you live once, might as well enjoy whats yours.[/b]I would have to agree that 99 or earlier Cobras might be fair game for a turbo'd SVT Tour, but there is no way in hell you are going to have any prayer of hanging with a 03 Cobra. I wish I had the funds to build a proper Duratech engine. Trust me, if someone could get it to hook, there wouldn't be anything this side of a pro dragster that could touch it....
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George W. Bush
95 Contour SE ATX V6 "Cracked" Secondaries DMD Installed SVT Brakes
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,447
Member
|
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,447 |
03 Cobra's are on another level. I was reffering to the guys that "think" they are the Sh#t and drive crap box corvettes and old stang GT's. Whenever my SC 3L does reach completetion (whoohoo new warehouse will be ready next week, real work will begin soon  ) I'd still try to run a 03 Cobra, I'll still lose, but it will be a great defeat and I bet the guy in the Cobra will **** himself a 4 door gave him a run for his money.
2000 SVT Contour #1077/2150 MSDS Headers/B&M Shifter/H&R's/
1995 Contour SE V6 #????/Tons KnuProject, awaiting mass mods
|
|
|
|
|