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Terry,
Do you have a way or know a way to get the Euro Ford Mondeo parts, I have tried my best, searching on the internet and I can't find anyone or a dealership to sell them to me. I am not just talking engine, but interior parts as well..


Ryan

So Terry, bottom line it for me - Installing it on a 99 SVT Contour, yes or no? Thanks!

SeRguy 'et all'...the answer is yes to both questions...I have sources/accounts in UK & Germany....be patient...!!!

I'm station in germany i might be able to hook up some things just let me have some time off and I look around

Dan: To address this ? "Bradness, how do you know they are oiling failures, what confirms this when you tear them down? Can a spun bearing from crank whip look the same?"

I have not done destructive testing as this would entail draining the oil and running the motor until it blows. Then a complete tear down to examine what went, etc. What does a motor destroyed by running with a UDP look like? Have to ask Terry.

IN MY OPINION this whole subject is a red herring. Why do I say this? The only documented failure due to a solid pulley (not a damper) was by Terry H doing (I can only guess here as Terry never responded with the conditions of the test) a destructive test in a dyno cell. This would likely entail running the engine at it's resonant frequency for as long as it takes to blow. Again, unless Terry confirms or denies this we won't know for sure. I do know that there are CEG's out there with in excess of 40K miles with a UDP and to date no blown motors. Again, I'm not in any way endorsing UDP's, simply looking at the available evidence.

There is hard evidence though, of blown engines due to oiling failure (& H2O pumps). THIS is, or should be, a far bigger concern to owners of Duratec powered cars than dampers/UDPs IMO. Sure, the dual mode damper undoubtedly is better than a single mode damper. But has the single mode damper caused 1 single Duratec to grenade?

I'd be happy to provide my sources and underlying logic if you wish to e-mail me direct. You have my address already or you can PM me if you prefer.

Test was not done by Terry. It was done by somone as part of a seal test (crankshaft seal test). A solid lower pulley was installed in order to make viewing lower seal easier (diameter was not the same as well as slots milled in it to view crank seal area). Constant oil pressure from outside was supplied for worst case oil pressure and the bearings went......so you tell me why they went? Oil starvation....I doubt it.....lack of damping.....yea that is more like it....and the engine Terry pulled apart is mine....and the bearings were shot to hell as the pics show. The Co. tossed the engine due to the failure (they could care less why it failed because it was not in the scope of the test).....second engine ran damper and the test finalized......and a third engine was started and the test ended.....Terry did not perform them......but I know who did.

Why then have Ford gone to a revised damper on all 2.5 V6 Duratecs if their isn't an issue?...

If this was a one off engineering "block" just to make sure the crank seal sealed - did they make sure it was more or less balanced? If they had cut non-symetrical viewing slots in it, when that puppy was spinning at 4000 - 7000 rpms it was going to be unbalanced as h@ll. While some people may risk running a crank with no torsional damping, I don't think anyone here would try and run an unbalanced crank (ie try and remove a harmonic balancer from a v8 and see how long it lasts).

Scott: good train of though but it just got derailed...the company makes dampers for the auto industry and tried to run the test per Ford request.....bought the engine through typical Ford parts (you do not work for auto industry do you......one off block for aseal test LOL)...the replacement was totally balanced by a local (Troy Mi) balancing firm.......

Nope - only have like a year of internship exp. with ACRochester (Delphi) for automotive exp. However, while there they did cob stuff up quite a bit - I've driven fuel system mules and seen a prototype Jag drive by wire system (they lost that work real quick when Ford got Jag) that would make you afraid to take the car out of the parking lot. Also ran TONS of fixture tests at Xerox where parts were made in peoples basements or "engineered" with dremel tools

I guess there is alot more freedom doing in house development than if you are a code one iso certifed supplier!