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My goal here is to build up a turbocharged 3L to it?s best possible output? and have the transmission/differential survive under the new ?circumstances.? Again, lemme know where I?ve gone wrong and where I haven?t? please?

So how?s this...

Purchase 1 - $300-$?
- ?Open-element? filter w/ heat shield, $40-120~
- Pro-M 75-80mm air intake monitor (70mm was a typo :p), $220~
- 62-65mm throttle body (best way to buy??)

Purchase 2 - $900-$1300
- MSDS headers $500-$600
- Custom 2.5? dual exhaust; one 2-in/2-out high flow cat, one 2-in/2-out resonator, two 1-in/1-out mufflers, $400-$700

Purchase 3 - $420-$?
- Energy Suspension motor mount inserts (MTX only?), $20~
- 22mm front/rear sway bars and bushings, $220~
- SHO Shop strut bars, front and rear, $180~
- Subframe connectors (when available)

Purchase 4 - $370-$470
- Jacobs ($300) or MSD ignition ($400)
- FMS 9mm spark plug wires, $50
- High vacuum pressure hose kit, $20

Purchase 5 - $800-$?
- '01 3L block prep and swap, $800-2200
- Titanium (hollow?) pistons and connecting rods, $?
- New piston rings, $?

Purchase 6 - $400-$Sky-high
- 6-speed a-od tranny or rebuild CD4E to spec, $?
- High performance torque converter, $?
- Phantom Grip limited-slip differential, $400~
- New cams, camshafts (when available)
- New cam gears, seals (when available)

Purchase 7 - $3000-5000~
- Hightower?s Mystery Co. Turbocharger

Purchase 8 - $1360-1860 (whew!)
- 17x7-8 wheels, $500-800~
- Nitto tires, $400-600~
- Eibach Pro-Kit springs, $290~
- Koni adjustable shocks/struts, $170~

Purchase 9 - $995~
- Larger (slotted) rotors, calipers, pads, $900~
- Stainless steel braided brake hoses, $95~

Parts I?m Still Unsure Of - $?
- Better dual electric cooling fans
- Better fuel pump
- Better oil cooler
- High-flow oil pump
- Baffled oil pan (haven?t had a problem yet, but..)
- Larger radiator (larger than SVT, already have two of those :))
- New fuel filter (need one anyway :))
- 22-24pph fuel injectors
- Fuel injector rail
- Fuel cooler

Thanks for humouring a newbie...
.RMk..

There is no such thing as a front sway bar, not Aftermarket anyway. You could get the SE bar but the SVT was made to help control the extra HP.

-Andy

not only that, but adding a 22mm front sway bar would ruin the cars handling, hence why there isn't one. also, what is the reasoning behind the 6spd tranny? as far as ti-rods... how high are you planning on spinning this engine?

Skip the TB!
6spd automatic OD. Get real! ($20k+ easily)
That large exhaust will kill performance while waiting years for the other mods to ever happen...

I suggest using the SEARCH. You will find a lot of your items are worthless or non-existent. You will find tons of usefull information on the other stuff!

You are still just making up lists that are full of bogus junk just strewn together... :rolleyes:

Let's see then... what you're saying is that:

1) 22m is too much for the front (I was under the impression that stock SVT was 22mm :o)

2) Unmodified CD4E transmission and pistons/rods can handle 11.0comp+8psi

3) Titanium pistons/rods are required only for higher-revving engines than the Duratec (8K)



What you're saying is:

1) 60mm is enough for a 3L/turbo and any more will decrease performance

2) I'll have some reason to worry about performance (2.5 dual exhaust) in-between projects

I don't autocross or anything; all of this is for my personal enjoyment in more ways than one, so I really don't mind if the new exhaust is going to hurt my performance if it's going to help after the 3L/turbo are in.

Did I mention that I'm doing almost all of this within a 6 month time-frame once I begin? I've been saving for these things since I bought the car.



So... what's 'bogus/worthless/non-existant?' That was the question, after all... and, actually, this list is the result of all my months of using search. How do you think I've only posted 150~ times in the past 11 months? Most of my questions have already been answered. Whether or not my list is reasonable (cost not withstanding) is one question that hasn't been, since it is uniquely mine and I hadn't posted it. So there.

I'm just trying to get everything straight before I dive in head-first... I don't like unexpected set-backs (who does?).

.RMk..
"How come nobody's mentioned that I'll need a custom chip?"

I'm saying your list is all of out order at the minimum.

Putting on a 65mm TB and than waiting to do the 3L swap doesn't make sense.

2.5" duals (good luck getting them to fit somewhere) before the turbo which is after the 3L which is after the...

Stock SVT front bar is 19mm. Lower IS better in this case. Less front end push!
All others have 20mm bar. (This information is easy found using the search)

You have a bunch of general topics, but leave out most of the details.

If you really are serious. I'd add an Air Fuel control and custom chip

You'll need several k to make the ATX hold up too.

So where do you plan on coming up with $15-30k spending cash in 6 mos? Any openings?

im planning on doing the same thing, a 3.0L and turbo setup. i talked to terry haines, and he says im looking at about $10,000 - $11,500 in parts. he didnt quote me on labor because he would have to figure it up but im guessing around another $5000 for labor. things that were included in my cost was a 3.0L long block, new pistons and bearings, new gear box or upgraded stock one, LSD, clutch, flywheel, mondeo radiator, chris hightower turbo, and electric water pump... im probably thinking of doing this in stages as well, so the suspension would come next like brakes and such.. but right now, im just planning on saving my money for this huge project. still not sure if im going to go through with it, i may buy a honda S2000 instead.

If you're truly serious about doing this in such a short period of time then the best you could do is start at the top. Get the built 3.0 and start with that. Build the 3.0 and put worked Taurus heads on it. Talk to SHO-shop about rebuilding/extrude honing heads. Drop that in and contact Hightower/Haines/TDC for a turbo kit. You probably won't be able to use the MSDS headers with a turbo kit. Twin turbo anyway, if using a single turbo from what I can tell the turbo will be so far away from the intake that turbo lag will be phenomenal. I'd recommend doing the vortech. They can get crazy with their S/C's. I've seen a prepped 4.6 DOHC Cobra with 400 hp before the Vortech T-trim and slightly more than 800 hp after.
I feel the best route, if you're financially stable, is to start at the meat of the project which is the block. Jon Yates didn't build an 1100 hp 302 by starting with throttle bodies.

Sell the car, and buy an SVT with MTX, no matter how much power you throw down you still lose 30% Through the ATX

"I'm just trying to get everything straight before I dive in head-first... I don't like unexpected set-backs (who does?)."

RMk, not trying to give you a hard time but your "project" is likely to be FULL of unexpected setbacks. Why, because it covers ALOT of uncharted ground. A record I believe in the history of the 4000 + members of the CEG for plans of breaking new ground.

1) People are just now getting some experience with the 3L. Several person having problems with A/F, etc. Not clear if 2.5L or 3L heads best. Optimal t. body, intake manifold & exhaust undetermined.
2) Now you want a TURBO 3L. None in existance. Only talk. No 3L S/C in existance except for a Cougar Showcar. Very expensive internal mods likly required ( trimetal bearings, enhanced crank, forged rods & pistons, girdle, oiling, & cooling system modifications, custom CPU programming) Very high probability of numerous problems to be solved. Not a job for amateurs or even moderatly skilled to be the first without a guide.
3) Using the ATX. No high po Contour ATX in existance. Most agree low probablity that stock ATX will hold up to big power increase. No info exists as to how to beef it up = expensive job for pros & still may well have problems that no one has encountered.
4) No info exists on the effect of what may be 400 + HP on Contour driveshafts, bearings & other running gear. High probability of new problems.
5) No info exists on streetability of this combo. may have so much tourque steer as to be unsafe - actually probably will IMHO.
6) The chassis & brakes will need major work. Possibly rollcage to stiffen things up for 400-500 HP. Only racers have done this - moderate probability of major structural issues.
7) Rough estimate $20-25K or take 5K. The majority will not ever be recouped if you sell.

You cannot get everything straight before you dive into this one because its all new. You will be forced to "learn the hard way". Of course, your exploits will teach us a few things at your expense, so if you REALLY have 25K to blow and ALOT of time to spare (ie you're a rich man of leisure who just loves your Tour) I say go for it. But in all honastly, you are about the 100th person on this forum to say they would build a turbo anyTour & as of today there are zero on this forum.

How about this list..
1) trade the ATX for an MTX SVT. This will give cooling & intake/ cylinder head upgrades that will benifit the turbo. Do all the phase I & II stuff to it I outlined before.
2) Give $2500 for a "Bulldog box Mark III MTX75 with Quaife LSD to Terry Haines. This has tranny cooler & strenghtening upgrades that will give you your best chance of tranny survival at big power.
3) $600 to Driveshafts.com or whatever that comapany is for high strength half shafts.
4) Save for your SHO trimetal bearings, Fisher damper, custom forged rods, Weisco forged pistons at 8.5:1 CR, Accusump oiling system, and Apexi S-AFC.
5 ) Wait for Chris Hightowers turbo kit. Get the version with the intercooler. Get Terry Haines or another pro to assemble & dyno tune the package. A similar showcar 2.5L turbo Duratec prepped by Ken Dutweiller made 450 HP. And he did not open up throttle body or manifold, port or increase valves over stock SVT & boost not too high. Without question, another 100 HP still in that motor. That is 550 HP!! Do all this, then tell me you NEED a 3L turbo & WANT an ATX.