You guys both make good points, and everyone will always have their own opinion on Mustang suspension.
The thing is here, you both only took in consideration that I said MM works better. I was not only stating I thought the MM stuff worked better, I was stating overall quality is better( this is a big part of my decision making process when I purchase somthing, Quality!!!!) I belive it probably is with you as well, or at least I hope so. Why would somone spend more on a system that works the same or not as well with lower quality (Griggs)? Box construction compared to tubular? Welds that look like bird S***?
Steve,
you stated:
"As far as the PB goes, (referring to the pics above) notice the bends in the MM bar. Those (compromises) are there to help with exhaust clearance. The Griggs bar was designed with strength in mind, regardless of having an extra inch of exhaust clearance".
When was the last time you have seen or have bent or broke a MM bar your self? Heck when was the last time you bent, broke, or have noticed the flex/stress patterns of any Ph Bar assembly. I have seen a Griggs PH bar fail at the track and many others as well, such as that thing BBK calls a panhard rod. Granted, Im sure this happens to everyone.
When I lived in San Luis, I frequented both of these shops alot, I mean alot. I looked at production of both Griggs and MM product first hand (I know the guys very well from both shops), and if you were in my shoes you would change your thoughts guaranteed. Sorry, but I would rather pay less and get more.
Before anybody says anything about Griggs being in San Luis; I know they moved to Sears Point race way about 4 yrs ago.
Rara,
The Steeda system still mounts in factory points (bad design; it was a bad design on the 79 Fox Chassis Mustang, LTD's, etc and still is). This is still a binding setup no matter what you or Dario Orlando says. Ford even utilized the Griggs tri link set up to eliminate the crappy quad setup they designed on that crazy orange SN95 that John Coletti of Ford specical vehiles built a few years back.
Rara you stated:
"I really hold no ill-will towards a TA/PB setup or MM, but griggs is generally viewed as a better choice in the racing community. Though I don't see how much different the two could be ".
Well if Steeda is better with its 5 link, why is it not viewed as the better choice? Griggs and MM do not use the original quad set up because of 10-15 years of development they have found a better way.
Do you see the new Corvette or Camaro using the quad design? No,its a set up similar to the MM and Griggs set ups (they utilize a similar torque link style arm down the center of the car). You cant really compare Fords quad set up to full out race car Quad link set ups. These are 2 totally different monsters.
The Steeda car did well in A Sedan with there set up? Im not sure if a set up like Steedas is legal in SCCA A-sedan. It changes original mounting points doesn't it? A set up like MM and Griggs is not allowed in A sedan which is found superior. Some a-sedan guys do add a torque link and panhard rod that does not hang below the Diff (A sedan rules). The original quad set up you can not remove legally in A sedan racing. So it makes sense why a system like Steedas did well, (if it is legal) because it is better than the stock set up, but not as good as MM or Griggs.
Sorry guys, I dont want this to turn into a which is better pissing contest. I have driven and raced cars with both of these systems. I say what I say because of experience with the actual product in my hands, on my cars and on the track. I have built and manufactured many components myself and have spoke with Chuck at MM numerous times, and have had this conversation with him.
These are just my opinions and its nice to see info from everyone. It helps to broaden all of our minds towards a product. Conflict of interest is what helps everyone grow in the automotive market.
Steve, you are right on the test not being fair. You cant expect Maximum's 200k mile 91 Lx to be competitive with any of those cars...JK. No really, to be a real showdown they must use the same driver, the same car, and just change out the suspension for each run. Seriously though MMs car is really beat and old.
If every car company thought all cars should be blue, it would be a very boring world.
Oh, and I do like the Black Gt. My mom drives a black lowered 98 Cobra!!!
