Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums General Common Interests Should the U.S. attack Iraq?

The point I was getting at is, this nation is so dependant on old technology, that we are willing to fight for it instead of find new, better ways of doing things.

I'm all for protecting investments. I am all for finding new investments, as well.

A few points...

Mani, you must be high. It is easy to take the so-called high road in Canada. The fact hs been presented already, but your nation enjoys an enviable position: you really do NOT pay for your defense. NO ONE is going to attack Canada due to your alliance with America. We are NOT the "cowboy", but rather your brothers. And the whole damn world knows it.

Isolationism is pointless and a suicide wish. See WWII. Proactive action is a far greater guarentee to safety than waiting to give a reaction. I have never been one for waiting for the other man to throw the first punch, WTF does that get you but a bloody nose, or in this case thousands of dead Americans.

Iraq IS a sponsor of terrorism. Saddam has chosen his position, he may live with the consequences.

Support of Israel IS the MAIN point of contention among Islamic nations. I am not willing to drop our support in light of the support they give us in the region. Israeli pilots flew alongside ours in the Gulf War. I give them a big THANK YOU, and have no problem watching the back of the only democracy in the region.

Iraq will use ABC weapons against Israel and other enemies. Why the hell else are they building them? Not for deterence, as in USA v. USSR. They have NO current enemy in the region other than Israel and the West.

Hit first, hit hard, hit decisively. And dump Colin Powell, he has done more to placate Palestian terriosm than any one in the Clinton administration. Also, he was the driving influence in Bush Sr.'s ill-fated decision to not achieve a real victory with Iraq the first time around.

I for one do not accept waiting around to see who screws us next. Bush gave the warning in September. Time to follow through.

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IIRC, the Israeli military were not involved in any form in the Gulf War.

Isreali pilots did not fly in the gulf war. As a matter of fact they were not even involed.

In regards to Colin Powell. He is just about the only sane one in Bush's cabinet. He knows if we attack IRAQ many more countries are going to join in. He also knows attacking IRAQ is foolish at best. There is no international support, hell even Britain (ARE #1 ALLY) is saying no. Bush needs to look at the problems domestically and stop worrying about **** thousands of miles away. There are more pressing problems like the economy. You can not support a military when you do not have any money can you.

-Antonio

I really dont give a rats a$$ about anyone who blows up the oil wells, and spills millions of gallons of oil into the sea. People died, and the attrocity he commited against nature, should be a crime against humanity.

I also love canadians armchair quarterbacking. Give me a break. Some of you listen too much to factoid mass media, some of you listen way too much to the opposite, which is people practicing revisionist and antagonist history and posture against the US because its trendy (very Berkeley)

One of the national problems is that our armed forces were geared for so long to fight millions of Russians, but now they say we cant handle two theatres of operation...and we are just not that willing to committ troops. I rather have alive soldiers to defend the USA, but reality is that no one in his right mind will make an amphibious assault, or attack thru Canada or Mexico to invade USA...so its obvious they will have have to kick ass elsewhere,,,

Moral Dilemma: If you sit idle, your wrong and blind to the plight. If you do something, you are an imperialist war mongor (sp).

Worldwide,,the dice have been thrown,,,We will not apeace anyone. the ones who dont like us, will not like us regardless,,,

I have travelled to many countries in the middle east, and my dad worked with the state dept, and my opinion is that a lot of these oppressed people should take their gripes to their own currupt and ignorant leaders. Why not blow yourself up to force the Palestinian leaders to allow them to vote, or some other civil powers?
Or to setup some kind of structure that favours their everyday life.

Why do you think the Jordanians kicked the PLO out? and they are their muslim brothers!!...they got sick of em. Eventually the world will get sick of these extremists as well... BUt when bleeding heart liberals and people who love complaining about how the US and Israel are cruel, etc etc, they just make it harder to deal with them.

So you would rather the U.S. just sit back and turn a blind eye to what is going on in all the nations in the world that have a less than favorable view of America? Maybe after a terrorist group detonates a nuclear bomb in New York and the radiation cloud floats over Canada and kills thousands of Canadiens sp? die you will see it differently. An unlikely scenario I know but it is the point. If someone attacked Ontario and 5000+ Canadiens died would you feel the same way as you do now? What if one of those that died was a loved one would you still follow your narrow minded rhetoric? Just a thought. Sitting back and not doing anything will only open up the U.S. to more attacks.
In closing I say bomb the **** out of Iraq. My .02.

i have to disagree, even though when i drive thruogh SE DC for work i think it's bad, but the stuff on tv is no where near that nice. i don't consider the USA to be anywhere close to be in abject poverty. i'm no rich guy but i know i'm better off then 95% of the people in the world. i'm sure everyone on this website is better off then 95% of the people in the world. our "leaders" do build big houses but you can't compare our leaders (ie George W.) to those of other countries who kill women and children b/c they didn't dress right (ie bin Laden). everyone has their own opinion though.

my family is mostly military so my opinion is to nuke the sh*t out of them before they do it to us and then tap into the oil in alaska. forget the middle east oil, we need to be self supportive and stop relying on their oil just b/c nuts like Al Gore want to save a frogs habitat or a rare fern that isn't valuable for anything. IMO though

Bush needs to look at the problems domestically and stop worrying about **** thousands of miles away. There are more pressing problems like the economy. You can not support a military when you do not have any money can you.

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those problems thousands of miles away can get here real fast. anyone remember 9/11? those were the problems thousands of miles away coming here. we should stay out of it to a degree, let them fight their wars. we did ie Revolutionary War and we won. but when you starve people to death and kill them for no reason, then you're a monster and need to be handled like one ie Saddam and Osama. you can always when a war when the enemy is to weak to fight back.

What do you mean not valuable for anything? Destroying life no matter what for OUR personal gain is not good. In the end we are hurting ourselves.

Now back on topic. Where in SE DC do you see anybody who rich? That has to be one of the poorist ares in the nation and the capital is like only 2 miles away...

Before the United States attacks anything I believe they need to have a valid reason. Bush cliams that saddam has Weapons Of Mass Destruction.. Okay where are they? If he uses them on Isreal, then let isreal strike back not us. If he bombs any US ship, airbase, city etc. Then we fight back until then I believe we should watch instead of sticking our nose into everything going on. One day it may get shot off...

-Antonio

The time to take out Sadam was during the Gulf War. A real threat has to be apparent for this type of action and there is presently none though there is much speculation. I would back taking out Sadam if we lived in a rational world, but other nations will not back the US and the Arab world is so backward that any action against Iraq will increase terrorist attacks against the US. But if Iraq does use chemical/biological/nuclear weapons or give others this ability? Well, then there will be clear justification for war and Sadam would be taken out in day. I am am an optimist but thinking about the Fundamental Religiousness depresses me. So over and out...