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Lemme tell you those BOAs scare the hell outta me too confused One even showed me its tongue, talk about offended wink

I see your point about PC, but I agree with the Court on this one. It should not have come to this but I fear some ultra-conservative at the school would not budge on there stance that recital was mandatory. Therefore litigation was neccessary.

Oh well, they will mock upa new version using the pre '54 one and all will be good.

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It's just another brick in the wall. I think we're unwittingly handing every aspect our futures and freedoms to the courts.


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a simple solution would be to change the word "God" to "god". by changing it from a proper name, the person saying the pledge can associate whatever they want with the word "god". whatever belief system they have takes on the alias of "god".

people need to realize that the pledge is about our belief in our COUNTRY, not God!

the more complicated solution would be to kick California out of the Union of states and let them fend for themselved with their own "beliefs." i wonder how long tey would last.


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the more complicated solution would be to kick California out of the Union of states and let them fend for themselved with their own "beliefs." i wonder how long tey would last.
Yes yes! I vote banishment for Cali and we will take a proper state like Quebec which never has any political controversy! smile

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Longer than you think baco!

Considering we produce a vast amount of the nations food and our GDP as a state I beleive is the highest the rest of the nation might suffer without our tax revenue!

It is not the state, it is the entire West Coast. People out here are very liberal in there thoughts.

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My brother did just point out something interesting after reading that......the US was founded on the principal of separation of church and state. So why would we speak of religion in the Pledge, or Constitution for that matter.

I honestly don't agree with him...he is my brother. smile
The whole seperation of church and state issue that so often comes up is often taken to an extreme. The initial principle behind it was to keep religions from having a state-funded political voice inside government, thereby endorsing one over the other thusly creating innate inequality. Remember, religion played a much bigger role in daily life 200 years ago than it does today. For many, it was pretty much the only social interaction they had with those outside their own families and close friends.

Seperation of church and state DOES NOT pertain to the initial concepts and fundamental rights that the Constitution of the US was founded upon, though. Just because the concept, name or image of God is invoked in a ceremony, document or popular pledge that shows respect and support for the government that one CHOOSES (Note that I strongly emphasize the word CHOOSE) to live under doesn't mean that we should be expecting the Spanish Inquisition, Part II any moment. What were Christian principles then still are now, though the interpretation of them has been expanded somewhat, much as the original Bill of Rights has had quite a few Amendments added to it through the years. The fact is plain and simple that we as American citizens are denying our very ancestry, history and fundamental beliefs by throwing any and every instance of God out of our lives. You don't belive in God? Fine, I've no problem with this and neither does the Constitution. It doesn't change the damn fact that the framework of this country was established mostly by men that wer of a Christian background and if not, they were men that most definitely held those basic principles in high regard.

The federal judge that laid down his gavel on this one needs to quit toking up before sessions. Then again let's not forget what the last line of the CNN article said:

"The 9th Circuit is the most liberal and the most overturned appeals court in the country."

...It looks like others in the Judicial branch are aware of the babbling, incoherent stupidity that comes from the 9th Circuit. I could train possums to come up with better legal interpretations that some that come out of that black hole of intelligence...

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the more complicated solution would be to kick California out of the Union of states and let them fend for themselved with their own "beliefs." i wonder how long tey would last.
Yes yes! I vote banishment for Cali and we will take a proper state like Quebec which never has any political controversy! smile [/b]
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If they hadn't screwed with the Pledge back in '54, this would have not happened.
Agree.

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