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Originally posted by whiteSE: Even the doctor at the hospital said that God must looking out for him because so many people who have that same fall end up in the morgue. That's all the evidence I'll ever need. Well, that isnt very objective of an argument...what about the ones who fell and ended in the morgue? They cant voice their opinions about God. But i would say why didnt God look after them? I assume they were good people...It is in the realm of possibilities to survive serious accidents, it happens quite often. Its just one of those things,,,in direct opposition to the freak accidents like pianos falling on you from above..I don't know those other people's stories and I really don't care because that's not the point. He asked what evidence I had and I provided it. So you can either take it at face value or dismiss it and move along.
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Originally posted by Sleeper: I'll start with agreeing with you about 2 things. 1) Big Bang theory sucks, I don't believe it. 2) People perception of evidence and whether to accept it on not is the barrier between the two sides.
My take, Jesus did exist, but did not perform the miracles that are in the bible. Because there are no proof that they actually happened. I believe the complexity of the human body is due to the fact that nature can adapt. Balance of the eco-sytem, again nature. The planet couldn't have made it this long unless it adapted into a nice balance. Speaking of nature, the bible makes no mention of dinosaurs, yet they existed. How could God have over looked telling his prophets of these large beast. If the first two people were Adam & Eve (white people) then how did we get all the diffent ethnic groups around the world. Stupid questions I know, but one's the bible cannot answer.[/QB] So the Jesus of the Bible is a cartoon character with special powers? You don't believe in the Creation, but you also don't believe in the Big Bang? What really did happen? Behemoth=Dinosaur Adam and Eve were white? And you know this how? Of course that explains why there have always been white people in the fertile crescent. :rolleyes: As a science supporter always does, you come in with a wheelbarrel full of B.S. and try to pass it off as truth, no matter how far fetched it is. As hard as it may be to believe, this is nothing personal against you, Sleeper...There are just major flaws in what you are typing. I'm still waiting for you to tell me where in the Bible it specifically says that it is okay to have black people as slaves.
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I don't know those other people's stories and I really don't care. Therein lies the fault of your and many other arguments. It is the tendency for most people to count the "hits" and forget the "misses". The selective filtering of information can lead to a unrealistic perception of world around us. That is why faith healers continue to slap people on the forehead while uttering jibberish; why people are convinced in life after death because of a handful of "witnessed" accounts; why a farmer in Podunk, Mississippi thinks that the "power of God" will protect him as he walks on burning charcoal. The people who didn't get better after faith "healing"; the people who didn't come "back" from the dead; the people who got burned while firewalking, are forgotten.
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. He asked what evidence I had and I provided it. So you can either take it at face value or dismiss it and move along.
well, that isnt evidence,,,Nothing debatable about having faith,,,,but using an occurrence as needed proof, has no validity for anyone but you. All you are proving is that you have a reason to have faith, but not evidence...
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Originally posted by Sleeper: Speaking of nature, the bible makes no mention of dinosaurs, yet they existed. How could God have over looked telling his prophets of these large beast. If the first two people were Adam & Eve (white people) then how did we get all the diffent ethnic groups around the world. Stupid questions I know, but one's the bible cannot answer. Man, you went there. For these answers and many more, check out this 14 page thread: Creationism vs. Evolution
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First, T-red go see this forum. I never said Jesus was a cartoon character, infact I said he existed. Did he have special powers, no. Much like many people who claim to be messangers of God and gather together a following of people, his believers see him in a different light. They claim he can perform miracles. I don't believe Adam & Eve ever existed, so I don't care what color anybody want them to be. But they are always portayed as white. Fine, if they were black, how did we get Asians? If they were Asian, how did blacks come to be? If they were white, how did middle easterners come to be? Behemoth=Dinosaur. Is that suppost to convince me? A vague term is used to cover a wide variety of unexplainables. I have never claimed that I know all the answers. All I have done is ask questions and state scientific theory (which in most cases is fact). So how is it that I'm coming with a wheelbarrel full of BS? I simply asked for physical proof that God exists. Nobody has supplied any yet but alot of people keep stating opinions. Unsupported opinions passed as fact = B.S.
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Congrats everyone, I would say we waisted the day on something that will never be cleared. For the nonbelivers You will not understand untill you are willing to understand, we argue and argue but the fact remains it wont go anywhere untill people really want to learn, or listen. till then it will be argue on both sides. I have been on both sides of the field, my father was a paster for many years. once I turned 13 I was out of it, although I am not a strong christian ( go to church all the time, or anything else) I do know god is real, and thats it. I have studied alot of different religons and looked down on my own when I was away from it. There is an empty feeling, never satisfyied feeling when I was away from god (religon) however you want to state it. But me telling my story or anyone else telling there stories will not prove and do anything to people that are closed in there mind on what is real and what isnt. here is something to think about Ed C or anyone else. I had wicked bad asma(think that is how it is spelled) as long as I could remember when I was 16 I was at my church everyone might know this church OCC (Orlando Christian Center) Paster Benny Hynn. Might ring a bell might not. anyways I was prayed over for it(asma) and I felt such a warmth in my body, I was asked to run around in the church. which I did with no problem, I ran for like 15mins all over in front of everyone. I was healed. Explain that. explain why I was coughing and using an inhaler before the service and right in the middle, right after I was prayed for, right after the warm feeling I got all over my body. I wasnt coughing anymore, and I have never had a prob sence. can you explain that ED C or anyone else. I can. God is real, Jesus Christ is real. Good night everyone
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You guys are taking this WAY too seriously. To my mind it comes down to this:
If there is a God, He must be a Just God. The Cubs have not won a Pennant since 1945. Therefore there cannot be a God.
It really does make things easier to work it out this way, and your collective heads will hurt less and you won't need to post all this circular reasoning stuff and yell and scream at each other, and you'll be able to turn your computers off for a while and have lots of extra time to finish school or find a job or wash your Contour. Think about it.
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gwellington,
Once again, you cast light on the simplicity of it all. Certainly, a back to back penant win by the Cubs and Redsox would signal the impending bedlam of the last days.
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Originally posted by Sleeper:
Unsupported opinions passed as fact = B.S.
Amen! How I have yearned to hear an evolutionist say that!!
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