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As a cop, do you know what happens if you run with your lights on? All the drivers in front of you start to slow down, and drive unpredictably.
If a cruiser is behind you with the lights off, then you aren't usually stepping on the brakes and looking for a place to pull over. Once the lights go on you sure do...
So it makes sense to wait until there is a chance to pass, turn on the lights, pass and get into the lane. And accelerate away.
Heck, most of the time I'm just glad the copper has passed me and I can go about my business without worrying if I'm over the limit by 10kph.
I think a remedy for all this whining about police is a little seat time on a ridealong. Its an eyeopening perspective on police work. If you have a chance sometime, go for it.
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i completely agree w/ greatone and whitese. i see it happen ALL the time, not just once for isolated incidents that i'm blowing out of proportion or thinking they're out to get me. if the lights and/or sirens are off, you set the example and obey the traffic laws like us. if there's an emergency, then light em up and fly. dont pull up to traffic at a red light, flip the switch, run the light, and immediatly flip it again, cruising at reg speed (not a sign of getting to an emergency). u want me to follow the traffic laws, then set the example, otherwise when i do a rolling stop at a stop sign, look the other way. u cut me some slack on petty stuff and i'll do the same. i've been doubleparked in ny only to have a cop pull up behind me and on the p.a. say "ok lets move it. this isn't CT". i go around the block to come right back and see the cruiser in my doubleparked spot with them inside getting a burger. tell me that doesn't get your blood boiling.
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Originally posted by hmouta:
i completely agree w/ greatone and whitese. i see it happen ALL the time, not just once for isolated incidents that i'm blowing out of proportion or thinking they're out to get me. if the lights and/or sirens are off, you set the example and obey the traffic laws like us. if there's an emergency, then light em up and fly. dont pull up to traffic at a red light, flip the switch, run the light, and immediatly flip it again, cruising at reg speed (not a sign of getting to an emergency). u want me to follow the traffic laws, then set the example, otherwise when i do a rolling stop at a stop sign, look the other way. u cut me some slack on petty stuff and i'll do the same. i've been doubleparked in ny only to have a cop pull up behind me and on the p.a. say "ok lets move it. this isn't CT". i go around the block to come right back and see the cruiser in my doubleparked spot with them inside getting a burger. tell me that doesn't get your blood boiling. Again, there are many times where I don't use L&S when responding to a call. I don't want them knowing I am on the way. Given that, what you said above is not practical and demonstrates a lack of knowledge of police tactics.
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Police should use l/s when responding every time, they can turn them off as they get closer. Sirens first then lights. The majority of cops do this and police departments don't care. There are many cops that do worse than this and set bad examples(i know a young cop). If your on a interstate and a cop(especially state patrol) passes you speeding then speed behing right behind them. First of all it's hard for them to pull you over when they're ahead of you. Second, it must be a new speed limit since they're officers of the law and they're going that speed. Third, just kick them in the nads if they pull you over, it's a strong message.
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Originally posted by Redcon96V4:
Police should use l/s when responding every time, they can turn them off as they get closer. Sirens first then lights. The majority of cops do this and police departments don't care. There are many cops that do worse than this and set bad examples(i know a young cop). If your on a interstate and a cop(especially state patrol) passes you speeding then speed behing right behind them. First of all it's hard for them to pull you over when they're ahead of you. Second, it must be a new speed limit since they're officers of the law and they're going that speed. Third, just kick them in the nads if they pull you over, it's a strong message. I forsee a trip (and long stay) in jail for you, for felony battery. Seems you didn't read any of this thread other than the initial post (especially not my posts), and replied in ignorance. Well, you can wallow in it, cause I have a feeling that one day you will find out what happens to people who do what you have suggested above. As babies, we are born clueless. Some people just remain that way...
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Originally posted by HellaHydro: Originally posted by 99SVTguy:
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I don't like being stopped for tickets...but usually, you or something about your car provokes them to become suspicious of you being a violator...sux, but its their job to jerk punks a new one. So guess what? Don't be a dumbass and usually you'll be fine.
Sure, I profile, but what I do and what is traditionally associated with "profiling" are wholly different. You can call what I do "criminal profiling".
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Sandman, can you just for once, for the sake of variety if nothing else, think for yourself rather than just spouting books, court cases, and the thoughts of others? I swear, you act like a talking police training manual. You display far too much of the all too typical police officer arrogance that makes people feel negatively towards cops.
In Wisconsin, an officer may not be required to turn lights and/or siren on when responding to a call, but the law does state that an officer must obey all traffic laws unless they turn on lights and/or siren. That said, hmouta has a point when he says it is perfectly feasible to turn on the lights and/or siren then turn them off when getting close enough to the scene where you want to arrive as to not alarm the suspect(s). I note again that when the lights turn off, you obey all traffic laws.
It is not necessarily ignorance that people disagree with you, and it is rather insulting that you depreciate opinions from the public that way.
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Not trying to depreciate their opinions, merely point out the fact that they do not grasp the full implications of the situation upon which they are passing judgement.
Given that, do you tell your doctor how to remove your appendix (or even give him pointers?)? Do you tell your dentist how to cap your tooth? What about your plumber, do you suggest new methods and materials when he does work for you? All these people have received professional training in their chosen field, as I have. Most people wouldn't think to tell these people how to do their job. However, put a police officer in front of them, and all they can offer is criticizm.
So, spare me your rant on how I seem unappreciative of citizen's opinions of how I should do my job, as I've heard enough of that for one day.
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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
... but the law does state that an officer must obey all traffic laws unless they turn on lights and/or siren. In between bashing Sandman, he actually makes a good point. My aunt and uncle never seem to have an answer for that one. They just seem to think that since they can't be ticketed, it is OK. Of course, my uncle has pulled over and ticketed a few local police officers (in civillian cars and marked cruisers) who were quite angry that flashing a badge did not get them out of their tickets. He won't do that unless the person is extremely in violation (i.e. 100/55 or something equally stupid). Sort of hypocritical if you ask me. Point being, the police should be setting an example for the civillians to follow and they don't always.
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Here is a little quip, author unknown, but I've found over the years that every bit of it is true. Ask yourself if you fit in here somewhere: Well, Mr. Citizen, it seems you've figured me out. I seem to fit neatly into the category where you've placed me.
I'm stereotyped, standardized, characterized, classified, grouped, and always typical. Unfortunately, the reverse is true.....I can never figure you out.
From birth you teach your children that I'm the bogeyman, then you're shocked when they identify me with my traditional enemy....the criminal!
You accuse me of coddling criminals......until I catch your kids doing wrong.
You may take an hour for lunch and several coffee breaks each day,
but point me out as a loafer for having one cup.
You pride yourself on your manners, but think nothing of disrupting my meals with your troubles.
You raise hell with the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I'm picking on you. You know all the traffic laws...but you've never gotten a single ticket you deserve.
You shout "foul" if you observe me driving fast to a call, but raise the roof if I take more than ten seconds to respond to your complaint.
You call it part of my job if someone strikes me, but call it police brutality if I strike back.
You wouldn't think of telling your dentist how to pull a tooth or your doctor how to take out an appendix, yet your always willing to give me pointers on the law.
You talk to me in a manner that would get you a bloody nose from anyone else, but expect me to take it without batting an eye.
You yell something's got to be done to fight crime, but you can't be bothered to get involved.
You have no use for me at all, but of course it's OK if I change a flat for your wife, deliver your child in the back of the patrol car, or perhaps save your son's life with mouth to mouth breathing, or work many hours overtime looking for your lost daughter.
So, Mr. Citizen, you can stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my work, calling me every name in the book, but never stop to think that your property, family, or maybe even your life depends on me or one of my buddies.
Yes, Mr. Citizen, it's me...the lousy cop!
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