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Ah, but they come from the factory that way... OEM. There is a safety argument that louder bikes are easier for other drivers to detect....
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Ok, thanks for the replies...Demon,do you or maybe anybody from Virginia know how I can get this taken care of without paying the fine or putting the stock system back on for the court date. Right now the baffles are in and it is not that much louder than stock. The cop did not dB meter it, so right now I'm just looking for a way to get out of the fine. Hopefully VA's exhaust laws are a little less strict than those from IL. Anyway, I'm going to look around and see what I find...Thanks again
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
Ah, but they come from the factory that way... OEM. There is a safety argument that louder bikes are easier for other drivers to detect.... Harleys from the factory are not very loud. I actually like the way a stock HD sounds, but you rarely ever hear them that way. Most Harleys have aftermarket pipes. Or you can do what one of my dad's buddies did-drill out the stock muffler and insert straight pipes inside them...stock look, deafening sound!!! (Sorry about going off topic!)
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Specifically: § 46.2-1003. Illegal use of defective or unsafe equipment. It shall be unlawful for any person to use or have as equipment on a motor vehicle operated on a highway any device or equipment mentioned in § 46.2-1002 which is defective or in unsafe condition. (1960, c. 125, § 46.1-308.1; 1989, c. 727.) § 46.2-1047. Muffler cutout, etc., illegal. § 46.2-1047. Muffler cutout, etc., illegal. It shall be unlawful to sell or offer for sale any (i) muffler without interior baffle plates or other effective muffling device or (ii) gutted muffler, muffler cutout, or straight exhaust. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate on the highways in the Commonwealth a motor vehicle equipped with a gutted muffler, muffler cutout, or straight exhaust. (Code 1950, § 46-306; 1950, p. 54; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-302; 1964, c. 628; 1989, c. 727.) § 46.2-1049. Exhaust system in good working order. No person shall drive and no owner of a motor vehicle shall permit or allow the operation of any vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment, in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise. An exhaust system shall not be deemed to prevent excessive or unusual noise if it permits the escape of noise in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make. The term "exhaust system," as used in this section, means all the parts of a motor vehicle through which the exhaust passes after leaving the engine block. Chambered pipes are not an effective muffling device to prevent excessive or unusual noise. (Code 1950, § 46-305; 1952, c. 455; 1956, c. 651; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-301; 1960, c. 120; 1970, c. 266; 1972, c. 66; 1989, c. 727.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically, this means that you are screwed. They have the same basic law we do, it's just worded differently. Specifically: An exhaust system shall not be deemed to prevent excessive or unusual noise if it permits the escape of noise in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make. This means that if your system is louder than OEM, it does not prevent excessive noise, and therefore is illegal. I would guess that in VA, like in IL, an officer can make that determination on the street w/o scientific measurement if it is blatantly obvious. Also, concerning It shall be unlawful to sell or offer for sale any (i) muffler without interior baffle plates or other effective muffling device or (ii) gutted muffler, muffler cutout, or straight exhaust. Your removeable baffels could cause you to operate illegally here... ---Again, just the facts.
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
Ah, but they come from the factory that way... OEM. There is a safety argument that louder bikes are easier for other drivers to detect.... As was mentioned earlier, Harley's are not loud at all. The noise you hear is aftermarket pipes. It goes with the image. I do have to admit though, some of the pipes on those bikes are a bit too much for my tastes. I like the sound of a harley, I just don't care for it to be shaking my bed at night. Windows are cool, bed shaking is another story.
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Originally posted by Daveandrews:
As was mentioned earlier, Harley's are not loud at all. The noise you hear is aftermarket pipes. It goes with the image. I do have to admit though, some of the pipes on those bikes are a bit too much for my tastes. I like the sound of a harley, I just don't care for it to be shaking my bed at night. Windows are cool, bed shaking is another story. IL has no exception that I am aware of for mods to the exhaust of motorcycles that allow them to be louder than OEM. VA law is not very clear on this, § 46.2-1050. Mufflers on motorcycles.
It shall be unlawful for any person to operate or cause to be operated any motorcycle not equipped with a muffler or other sound dissipative device in good working order and in constant operation.
No person shall remove or render inoperative, or cause to be removed or rendered inoperative, other than for purposes of maintenance, repair or replacement, any muffler or sound dissipative device on a motorcycle.
(1976, c. 65, § 46.1-302.3; 1989, c. 727.) There is likely some case law in both states that establishes legal proceedure... I like Harleys, but they are way overpriced for the technology level IMHO. This is the bike I would buy if I had the money...  anyone care to make donation to my VTX fund?
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Kind of like when I got pulled over for using my foglamps when exceeding 25 mph! Bull**** reason just to pull someone over and try a "plain view" quick search. Did you tell him you didn't have fog lights? You have driving lights. Fog lights are amber (yellow) in color. And driving lights can be on anytime you are driving... I would have, but then I don't play the BS games with the cops.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Did you tell him you didn't have fog lights?
You have driving lights. Fog lights are amber (yellow) in color.
And driving lights can be on anytime you are driving...
I would have, but then I don't play the BS games with the cops. It all depends on the state laws. These vary greatly. In IL: (625 ILCS 5/12-207)
Sec. 12-207. Spot lamps and auxiliary driving lamps.
b) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed three
auxiliary driving lamps mounted on the front at a height not less than
12 inches nor more than 42 inches above the level surface upon which the
vehicle stands.
(625 ILCS 5/12-209)
Sec. 12-209. Additional Lighting Equipment.
(a) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than 2 side
cowl or fender lamps which shall emit an amber or white light without
glare.
(625 ILCS 5/12-210)
Sec. 12-210. Use of head lamps and auxiliary driving lamps. (a)
Whenever the driver of any vehicle equipped with an electric driving
head lamp, driving head lamps, auxiliary driving lamp or auxiliary
driving lamps is within 500 feet of another vehicle approaching from the
opposite direction, the driver shall dim or drop such head lamp or head
lamps and shall extinguish all auxiliary driving lamps.
(b) The driver of any vehicle equipped with an electric driving
head lamp, head lamps, auxiliary driving lamp or auxiliary driving lamps
shall dim or drop such head lamp or head lamps and shall extinguish all
auxiliary driving lamps when there is another vehicle traveling in the
same direction less than 300 feet to the front of him.
(c) No vehicle shall have the lighting system modified to allow
more than 2 electric head lamps to be lighted while operating in the
dimmed or dropped position.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall prohibit the use of auxiliary
driving lamps, commonly referred to as "fog" lamps, when used in
conjunction with head lamps, if such auxiliary driving lamps are
adjusted and so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the
eyes of drivers of oncoming vehicles.
(Source: P.A. 85-1144.)
This means that you cannot follow someone within 300 ft (nor use them within 500 ft of approaching traffic) and use your fog /aux driving lamps (there is no difference in IL). However, there are no other restrictions on use. This only applies (as I understand it) if your aux/fog light are improperly aimed...
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Damn Sandman, one might think your a attorney  . Or you have the laws of all 50 states memorized. 5 stars for you for being very meticoulous and anwsering the ?'s to the fullest extent. Man do these laws suck. I put my sho y pipe on w/ my 1 chamber flowmasters and no resonator. My personal feelings are the set up I got is WAY to loud. Time to get the flows off and cough up some cash for the Bassani or the Borla. Good luck with your ticket, maybe a attorney can help you worm around the laws but.... The price for a attorney probably doesnt justify the cost for a non moving violation ticket which probably wont effect your insurance. 
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