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Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323172 05/23/02 12:35 AM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA J javaContour Member
javaContour Member J Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA	And for fy2002 (Ends September 30, 2002) http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2002/pdf/guide.pdf I'll summarize the percentages of expenditures: Social Security 23% Non-Defense Discretionary 19% National Defense 16% Medicare 12% Net Interest 10% Medicaid 7% Other Manditory 7% Other Means-Tested Entitlesments 6% Clearly, half of the budget is NOT spent on the military. Heck, I was even high at 1/3rd. More is spent on Social Security, than is spent on defense. "Welfare" is essentially Medicaid and Other Means-Tested Entitlements. This is 13% total, so it is very close to the 16% spent on defense. Since the role of the Federal Government in the national defense is defined in the Constitution of the United States, these other social programs only divert the attention of the federal government from it's most important task. Defend the citizens and the constitution of the United States. FWIW, TB Tony Boner Personal: 98cdw27@charter.net Work: tony.boner@sun.com Saving the computer world from WinBloze as Unix/Solaris/Java Guru http://www.sun.com 1998 Contour SVT Pre-E1 618/6535 Born On Date: 4/30/1997 Now with Aussie Bar induced mild oversteer.

Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323173 05/23/02 12:38 AM
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,260 The whitest white boy who ever... B British Banger Member
British Banger Member B Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,260 The whitest white boy who ever...	What about this (Adobe acrobat document) SVT with CE light mod and a camera mount. Naughty Pictures Why yes it is true, I am on my third engine.

Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323174 05/23/02 12:44 AM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA J javaContour Member
javaContour Member J Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA	Quote: Originally posted by British Banger: What about this (Adobe acrobat document) Sure, you could make the military percentage any number you want if you ignore enough other money the federal government spends. Basically, since I have to pay both the income taxes and payroll taxes such as SSI and Medicare/Medicaid, I think it is valid to include those expenditures in the budget. Plus, to consider that 80% of the national debt is attributed to defense in disingenous at best. Quote: The percentages are federal funds, which do not include trust funds such as Social Security that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don?t pay) by April 16, 2001, goes only to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds (the so-called ?Unified Budget?) began in the 1960s during the Vietnam War. The government presentation makes the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller. ?Current military? spending adds together money allocated for the Department of Defense ($286 billion) plus the military portion from other parts of the budget. Spending on nuclear weapons (without their delivery systems) amounts to about 1% of the total budget. ?Past military? is represented by veterans? benefits plus 80% of the interest on the national debt. Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups use from 50% to 60%. We use the 80% figure because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated. The pie chart below the budget. This is a distortion of tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security) and buries the expenses of past military spending in nonmilitary parts of the pie. For a more accurate representation of how your Federal income tax dollar is really spent, see the large chart. Tony Boner Personal: 98cdw27@charter.net Work: tony.boner@sun.com Saving the computer world from WinBloze as Unix/Solaris/Java Guru http://www.sun.com 1998 Contour SVT Pre-E1 618/6535 Born On Date: 4/30/1997 Now with Aussie Bar induced mild oversteer.

Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323175 05/23/02 12:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,260 The whitest white boy who ever... B British Banger Member
British Banger Member B Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,260 The whitest white boy who ever...	Quote: Originally posted by javaContour: Sure, you could make the military percentage any number you want if you ignore enough other money the federal government spends. Basically, since I have to pay both the income taxes and payroll taxes such as SSI and Medicare/Medicaid, I think it is valid to include those expenditures in the budget. Plus, to consider that 80% of the national debt is attributed to defense in disingenous at best. Understanded, my main worry is about what direction this country is headed in. It just seems like a lot of money is being used to fight a war that can't be won. How many terrorist attacks have there been on the US in the last 8 months, yet how much has the government spent on Homeland securtiy? I'm not saying your wrong Tony, just interesting to talk about James SVT with CE light mod and a camera mount. Naughty Pictures Why yes it is true, I am on my third engine.

Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323176 05/23/02 12:57 AM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA J javaContour Member
javaContour Member J Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA	And you can understand mine. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be cared for. It's just the Federal government is probably the least efficient and effective organization to do this. The war on FILL IN THE BLANK has generally been ineffective. It really doesn't matter if you fill in the blank with Drugs, Crime, Poverty, Ignorance, Racism, you get the idea, generally results in disaster when it is fought by the federal government. I do believe a war on terroism can be effective if we delegate the other issues back to where they can best be handled, at the state and local levels. The President's first job is the Command-in-Chief. Yes I do understand where you are coming from. I believe the best way to help people is to get the federal government out of the "helping" business and return to people helping people instead of the compassionate Federal RobinHood. I'm not anti-compassion, I'm anti large federal government. To characterize that as being uncompassionate is not logical. I have more faith in people than that. TB Tony Boner Personal: 98cdw27@charter.net Work: tony.boner@sun.com Saving the computer world from WinBloze as Unix/Solaris/Java Guru http://www.sun.com 1998 Contour SVT Pre-E1 618/6535 Born On Date: 4/30/1997 Now with Aussie Bar induced mild oversteer.

Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323177 05/23/02 10:27 AM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA J javaContour Member
javaContour Member J Joined: May 2000 Posts: 3,636 Belleville, IL USA	I just wanted to add p4g3 4 1s 0wN3d by M3 TB Tony Boner Personal: 98cdw27@charter.net Work: tony.boner@sun.com Saving the computer world from WinBloze as Unix/Solaris/Java Guru http://www.sun.com 1998 Contour SVT Pre-E1 618/6535 Born On Date: 4/30/1997 Now with Aussie Bar induced mild oversteer.

Re: This is why my blood pressure rises #323178 05/24/02 12:27 PM
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devotedad Member D Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 786 N. VA	Problems has been solved :rolleyes: rescue beacons regards, eugene 3463/6535 98 SVT EV0 silver frost -bone stock CEG sticker new cupholders!!!

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