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Funny, even before I got to this part, I allready knew..

I'm an American citizen from birth, however born and raised abroad and 'migrated' to US 6 years ago. Should I be sent back?

Also, I'm not a christian. Does that pose a problem too? I know it does to Pat B. How about you?

I suspect that the average unskilled immigrant will pay less in taxes than they consume in social services.

As someone on another forum said, "Illegal immigrants drive down wages and are eligible for food stamps and other public aid? Sounds like corporate welfare to me!"

The bottom line is that people would not be working for $2.50/hour if they did not have access to the social services provided courtesy of taxpayers!

Brian

Only 7% of the immigrants coming to this country are utilized for their particular skills? Says who? Where are these stats coming from? Perhaps it is better that even these people remain in their respective countries? Maybe you don't realize this, but this country is composed out of immigrants. I'm willing to bet that if everyone on the CEG looked at their roots, they will find some migration at some point or another. What if it were not alowed back than? Should they all go back now?

Continued immigration at current levels will mainly degrade your standard of living? Excuse me for being alive buddy. Didn't know I was spoiling your life and surrounding. In case you did not know this, but the majority of crimes in this country are commited by RED BLOODED AMERICANS. Don't try to put the blame and generalize. People are people, wether they are immigrants or not, they act as individuals. Just like you.

I should hope so, considering that "red blooded americans" are still the majority. (Your argument sounds suspiciously like "well, the majority of people on welfare are white" when blacks make up 12% of the population yet make up more than that as a percentage of people on welfare)

However, another stat is that 25% of the people in California jails are illegal aliens. I don't even think 25% of California's population consists of illegal aliens, therefore it seems obvious that illegal aliens have a bit of a problem abiding by US laws, surprise surprise.

Brian

You know, this probably wouldn't be a problem if we'd just make the government handouts even smaller.

I have no problem with law abiding citizens who want to chase the American dream seeking access to America.

I have a big problem with folks sneaking in to sign up for welfare.

TB

I will address your comments below:

- Without accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, you are doomed. This nation was built upon Christian, European cultures and values and has been tremendously prosperous and successful because of it. Not Hindu, Muslim, Asian or other cultures and values.
- I get my statistics from reliable, factual sources like the US INS, among others. A very good source was an article in the September 2001 issue of National Geographic, which presented US INS information. I encourage you to read it!
- True, the nation is made of immigrants, but how many more can we let in? 100 million? 500 million? 1 billion? Do we need to let it go until we see people laying in the streets like in India or other third world countries? The last time I was in New York City, LA, Chicago or a bunch of other US cities, I certainly did not see any shortage of people, congestion, pollution, etc.
- Read my original post carefully. I never said we should send people back to their countries of birth. However, any alien trespassing illegally should be promptly deported. If you were to be caught crossing the border illegally of many countries you would be shot on sight!
- The main proponents of massive, uncontrolled immigration are those who benefit the most for self gain: business owners (cheap wages), the Latinos (increasing political power). I seriously doubt if any of these minority groups who favor massive, uncontrolled immigration would support this concept if the majority of immigrants coming here were from countries like Poland, France, Russia, Ireland, etc!

First of all, do not group the illegal aliens with the legal aliens, or the naturalized citizens. We are not the problem. Obviously if they are illegal aliens to begin with, they have a problem with authority and our laws. You say 25 % of CA jail consists of illegal aliens? Fine. I was talking about the immigrants that migrate here legally, and have just as many rights as you do. Try reading and understanding a post before replying to one. Your argument is irrelevant. It seems to me that as soon as an illegal alien is caught, or proven to be guilty of any actions, the rest of the country decides its time to stop letting people into this country.

Common people, lets be fair. I agree, stop the immigrants that enter the country illegaly, but don't ruin it for the rest of us who try to do things the right way and just try to find a better life.

All i'm saying is, stop generalizing. You want to sift out the illegals and send them back, go ahead. You want to have tighter border control, cool, i'm all for that. As a matter of fact, i encourage it. Why should any one sneak in and not have to go through what I had to in order to live here? But leave the rest of us alone that try to do things the right way. We are not a threat to you, or anyone else in this country.

This thread started as being about illegal aliens, and that is who I am discussing.

Regarding legal immigration, I'd like to point out that the 1965 immigration law pushed by Ted Kennedy favors immigration from "third-world" countries, which I think is somewhat unfair to those who (for example) live in Europe and would like to immigrate to the USA.

I also think that the current immigration rate of 1 million+ aliens per year is a bit too high (historically it had been 100,000 per year).

I also suspect that some of the motivations for immigrating to the USA have changed. In 1850 there were no shopping malls, SUVs, large-screen TVs, or many of the material things we have today. People came to this country for freedom and democracy, not for a big car and a big TV and a big house (or government handouts, as the case may be).

Brian

By the way, unless they are US Citizens, they do not have the right to vote (as I do), which is how it should be.

Brian

I myself am from Israel, and I am a citizen as of 1993. The rest of my family lives in Israel, and may want to migrate here in the future. Does this mean that since they did not come over earlier, they should not be allowed to do so now? And as far as for immigrants from a third-world country, why should they not be allowed to migrate over? As long as they do so in the proper fashion, more power to them. If they can come here and live by the laws of this country, they should be allowed. Maybe we can have a probation period for those migrating here? (legally!). I with you when it comes to the illegal aliens, and the tighter border control.

A good life in the past may have not included some of the material things that we have today. But by today's standards, having these things such as a big screen TV, an SUV, or nice stereo system, may be concidered a good life, and if someone wants to come to this country and aquire these things, why should we prohibit them. If they can do so properly, and I mean by getting a career and a good paying job, let them. How does that hurt the rest of us?