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Hahahahah!! LMFAO!

Yeah, your water tastes like someone Sh*t in it!
Every time I go up there I am so glad that Tucson Tap water is mostly ground water. We use the CAP water for irrigation and stuff.

warmonger

Three small observations:

1. The "Stella Awards" are fake. See www.snopes2.com/legal/lawsuits.htm.

2. I assume those who are espousing that our laws are sacred and must be obeyed by all and in all instances are not the same people who keep posting the threads beginning with "I got caught speeding; how do I get out of it?"

3. I also assume that y'all have verified that YOUR ancestors arrived legally....

Dad's side: Arrived in Colorado during the Spanish colonial days. Became Americans by default when Colorado became part of the US.

Mom's side. Came through Ellis Island

I live in Tucson, 60 miles north of Nogales Mexico. I've been down there and deeper many times. It is horrendous the way some of those people have to live, and I have my opinion, like everyone else, on the situation.
Our country was founded on immigration, however it usually took the form of exploiting those 'ignorant','poor','undereducated' people from other countries who came here for a better life. Is it wrong? Maybe.
Maybe those hundereds of thousands of Irish who suffered in sweat-shops and worse were wrong, even though their decendents are now found in a range from poverty to sentorial posts.
The Chinese working the railroads. That's as close to indentured servitude as you can get, but they are reputed as a hard-working, 'silent/uncomplaining' group that has succeeded very well here. The list goes on and on.
What I am trying to say is I do not blame people for coming here. I say go for it. However, DO NOT BLAME THEIR POVERTY ON THE U.S.! Most groups in America started off the same way and there weren't any charity organizations handing out free money when they got off the boat or jumped the fence. They made it on hard work and so have many Latin Americans.
Things are different today, but it mostly still applies. However the handouts ARE there. There is a family from Latin America that was given a FREE HOME here in Tucson that was nicer than the house I own! FREE, just because they were selected as the 'poster child' of the Pro-Immigration movement! Damn it I worked to have this house and nothing has come free!
I am happy that they are becoming Citizens, but that was just too much...Try giving them education and a Job.

Back to the point...If they want to cross legally or illegally, more power to them. If they die in the attempt then so be it, but that is their own responsibility.
This has become the land of 'free-handouts' where terrorist can come to our country and educate themselves so that they can later come back and use it to kill us in a fit of spiteful jealousy.

And last, Think of a diamond that you spend $3K on to give to your Wife. It's quite valuable. Now think, how valuable it would be if there were fountains filled with diamonds on every corner that you could pick up and take with you?
Would you value diamonds as much then?
So it should be with Citizenship in the Greatest Country of our time. If it costs so much to become a citizen, even RISK of death, then MAYBE they will treat it as the valuable commodity that it is!

warmonger

1. My appology to you, i did not know these were a fake.

2. Lets not be foolish about this. We all break some laws in that sense. The previous posts are referencing the laws that would be considered Criminal, and are a bit more of a serious nature then lets say a speeding ticket.

3. I myself was an immigrant. A legall one. And now I am a citizen.

4. What does any of this have to do with the original post. The original post for in regards to why we should have to pay for a death that resulted by an individual's stupidity. This means that if my family decided to sneak into the US from Israel by swiming here, and drowned, the government should be sued because there were no life boats for us to stop and take a breather in?

Defecting into the country is illegal, and wrong, and is an action that is carried out by an individual at their OWN RISK.

Legal Immigrant here, been in the states since '92, holder of a green card (why green i dunno, it's pink) and am not a citizen.

John

Old tried and true liberal tactic of avoiding the issue.

PackRat own3d you all!! :p

You got me, PackRat!

And I deeply respect the fact that no one has yet, in this thread, blamed the illegal immigration issue on Bill Clinton!...yet...

But it IS all Bill Clinton's fault! If he just would have signed that Desert Water Fountain bill...