Well this topic is while certainly not finished, pretty well discussed (both sides) I'm kinda sorry to see cpursor go, as I was just getting warmed up. Anyway I do really see his point this thread has taken a lot of time out of the past few days. Way too much (according to the wife). So I think that I will go the way of cpursor, I may be back so feel free to answer my counter arguments just don't be surprised if it takes a few days or weeks for me to answer back. As I have said before I do thank all who participated in keeping this an orderly discussion and do thank the moderators for letting the thread stay. See ya'll later. Jim