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Well I'm too lazy to type all of this info so you will have to check it out. It has to do wih the claims that have been made about there not being any transitional fossils. Looks like there have been many well documented transitional fossils found. the goods

So I guess the thought of a all-knowing all-powerful being that trannscends time&space. Who knew he was screwing up before he made everything is a little easier to swallow.

Thanks for the reply, but maybe you miss-read my intention of the post. I didn't ask for a explanation of aliens, or lack of them etc.

Look, all I'm asking, if you re-read my other post, is HYPOTHETICALY [sp?] speaking. [The alien reference was ONE example I threw out there. Not one you HAD to respond to.] WHAT event, device, object, etc. etc. COULD POSSIBLY make you have a different opinion than you do now? I'm not trying to trick you into renouncing your faith here or anything. :rolleyes: I see no reason to be afraid to provide an answer if you have anything tucked away in your mind. After all, the "thing" you select would have no real chance of coming to pass anyway, so whats the harm?

I think a concept of God is involved here as well. I believe in an all-powerful God, just like the Creationists. However, I don't believe that God works in the same manner as they do.

Time segments are a man-made creation, meaning nothing to an immortal being. Time is actually like an endless river, constantly flowing. Even in terms of man's wordings for these segments, they can mean different things. "Day" can mean the standard 24-hour period of time we use. However, you talk (usually with an older person) saying "back in my day", suddenly the period is longer and of an indeterminable length. "Day" takes the same meaning as "Era" in this context.

That said, I believe that God works in subtle and mysterious ways. As time means nothing to Him, I don't see God suddenly saying the Word, and *POOF*, there's the multiverse (I believe in multiple planes of existence, but that's another topic). The idea of being so rushed about Creation is a very human characteristic, not a characteristic of someone unfettered by time. So He Creates, taking time to enjoy each part of Creation, then having it progress. As I believe God is subtle, Creation evolves. Since God is directing evolution, and He is omniscient and all-powerful, He can have creatures modify in multiple ways at once. Part of this process is the extinction of species to make way for the evolution of others. Extinct species aren't mistakes, they just had served their purpose, and no longer have a reason for being.

After what humans would say is billions of years, He decides to evolve humans to take the role as the current pinnacle of creation. As He gave us reason, people are curious, and thirst for knowledge. Scientists study what has occurred, to determine what God has done. The evidence supports evolution, though there are some questions which need further study. Having questions does not invalidate the theory, however. So they put the term "Theory" in stating evolution is how life on this planet came into being. However, evolution is just an explanation of what God did, not a substitute for God.

My model on how evolution and God coexist very well.

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Thanks for posting this and me not having to say it...

ROFL...

Hey man.. just went and checked out the transitional fossils page.. sounds to me like they are saying that when we look at the fossil record we see evidence of "natural selection at work".. Well, that is to be expected.
No matter where we look however , we don't see a half something, half something else, because natural selection would not allow it. You can't have a whale, that over millions of years grow a leg.. that would be useless to it, and would give it a survival DISadvantage...
Just as a flipper on a horse would be equally as combersome, and make the animal more pron to be eaten.
Try to for a minute, visualize what a half something half something else would look like.
And as for the rest of their claims, I am not sure what they are talking about, but definatly not real transitional (in a macroevolutionary way) fossils. The world's leading evolutionary authorites admit to there not being any transitional fossils..
Stephen J Gould says "the absence of fossil evidence, for intermediary stages, between major transitions in organic design; indeed our inability even in our imagination to construct funtional intermediates in many cases has been a persistant and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution."
"...transitions between major groups are characteristically abrupt."
"yet to preserve our favoured account of evolution, by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study" (Coming from someone with a HUGE vast budget, and the resources to do that study. ED)
This man has studied the fossils so much, that he put forth an idea called Punctuated equilibrium. The idea behind it being that he is honest with the lack of fossil evidence for transitional fossil. He thinks that overnight or "in very rapid succesion" the animals have evolved to be the way they are, and the evolution happened so quickly... over millions of years, that there is no fossil evidence for it...
That is the amazing thing about evolution... the whole theory is SO pliable... that it simply can not be refuted because no matter what a person says, evolutionist will come up with a JUST so story.

Yeah I couldn't resist. You can have the next one.

A complete lack of order and structure.

okay... assumeing that we could conclusivly prove aliens... then I would stop beleiving.. but it has to be ironclad... not this normal alien nonsense we hear about. UFO's don't prove anything about alien life. Perhaps aliens like in Independance day...
that type opf thing..

I don't think it's purely a creationist idea. We know the tectonic plates that our continents are on, float around on the magma below them. So, if you figure out how much one moves in a given point of time, and just plot it backwards...you come up with the idea of pangea. And since creationists and evolutionists both seem to believe in that idea, doing the above math pretty much proves the world is older than 4500 years as well...but I don't want to get into that again!

You want to know what I believe? Even though I like to look at things such as our universe and it's beginnings, as well as evolution on our own planet...I do believe there is some "higher power" that set things in motion. I mean if you go back to the beginning of the universe, it's kinda like hitting a wall. If there was nothing, how can there be anything to explode? I don't think this being plays as active role in our world as most believe. I also like to believe that there is some sort of afterlife. Human existance/consciousness seems too much to just end one day.