we won't leave kzoo until 5 at least (cause of work) so we will be late thursday night. still in time for a beer - there's always time for that last beer - but late. mapquest puts it at 4 1/2 hours, so i'll say 3 1/2 (i'm driving toltec) or so. that puts us at the hotel at around 8:30 or 9:00. you going to grab info packs for all of us

see ya then............
.........ya crotch ferret

gotta join in.
