do you even think about what you're saying before you post it?
Originally posted by tbunder:
and for those of you who are taking some of my quotes out of context about respect for the zetec, you need to re-read my original post (if you know how to read at all). i like it for what it was built for-good mpg, long life, decent performance for a crappy 4-banger with no size or breathability.
there's nothing crappy about the zetec engine, which explains its use in many european and several american fords. compared to a v8, it is cheaper to operate, more efficient, etc. having "no size" is part of being a four cylinder. they are typically small engines.
Originally posted by tbunder:
i dont respect it for anything concerning torque, horsepower, drag racing, throw you back in the seat acceleration, etc.
lol...as previously mentioned, the problem with the zetec in the contour is that the contour is too heavy for it to be fast. if placed into a lighter car, it would be pretty fast with exactly the same engine as the contours have. again, the output of most four cylinders typically isn't very high unless they are turbo'd. more displacement = more hp, and four cylinder engines lack displacement. again, part of being a four cylinder.
Originally posted by tbunder:
sure, you can dump $20000 into it and make it fast, but do you even really have a zetec left after this is done?
i'm pretty sure you do, you have a turbo zetec.
Originally posted by tbunder:
a zetec doesn't come with a turbo.
not true. they have turbo rally zetecs in europe, which "come" with a turbo.
Originally posted by tbunder:
a true wrencher will make one's car fast WITHOUT adding a turbo or s/c.
says who? turbo's or s/c's simply even the playing field for four cylinders a bit.
Originally posted by tbunder:
maybe cutting the intake in half and honing the inside out to a mirror finish, stuff like that. cams, pistons, larger air intake, exhaust. this turbo crap on an engine that doesn't even offer one as an option is ludicrous to even brag about.
again, this is an opinion. speed is speed, no matter how you get to it. but for people that think like you, there are different classes for turbo'd cars, etc. i think turbocharging a car that doesn't come with one can be quite a feat, especially if it's an aftermarket application, as you have to lower the CR, etc.
Originally posted by tbunder:
that's like an indy car asking to race in a formula 1 race. or a corvette owner bringing his turbo's or s/c'd C5 to a corvette meet bragging how fast it is when everyone else has the original engine. sure its fast, but its not really an LT1 engine or whatever they use now.
they have LS1 engines now, and i believe if somebody had a supercharged LS1, it'd still be an LS1. if they bragged to everybody about how fast it was compared to a stock LS1, i believe it'd still be true. i agree they wouldn't be in the same class though.
Originally posted by tbunder:
if you want to brag about how fast your zetec is, do so without saying "oh, i put a turbo on mine", or "when i get my turbo on, i may be able to smoke a Mark VIII." it just isn't impressive. now, when you take an oem turbo engine, and make IT faster, then ill respect you. but adding one to a car that doesn't even come with one, WHO CARES. that's cheating. i could add a turbo to a taurus wagon and smoke your turbo's zetec. then i also wouldn't look like every other contique owner either.
i think making the same or more power than a v8 with a turbocharged four cylinder is impressive, considering the four cylinder has a ton less displacement. just the idea is impressive. what's the difference between an OEM "turbo engine" and an aftermarket car that's turboed? not much of one, except that the factory put it on instead of you. the concept of what you're saying there just doesn't make any sense. it's a turbo either way you look at it, and i think it'd be more difficult for you to put it on yourself than the factory putting it on for you, so wouldn't you have more respect for the person who did it theirself? again, it's not cheating. it's another form of power, and is in a different class than NA engines, that's all.