I spoke to the guys at Carbotech last week, very informative. They had me fax a tracing of my existing pad to check availablity. Because I have the later ie smaller pad on my 99 the price is only $139 for the Panther plus. They were also very supportive of a group buy. I am also going to check with them about sending my old backing plates that they can adhere their pad compound to, might tbe a little cheaper. 99% sure I'll get carbotech's also with a set of Frozen Rotor full faced rotor's. I also am very unimpressed with the KVR's.