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Originally posted by Jugs:
John, I'm calling you out brother. Your posts haven't been about him having no experience with zaino...the first one or two were only ephimerally, then you just started lashing out and calling someone who you don't know ignorant and lashing out him for what? all he said was that zaino sucked...he's got a right to think that, as do I...and hey its not all that compared to the stuff he uses...but we're past all that, now its gone personal. See man, you're a serious hater. Can't you see from the pics the guy has posted and from the awards he's won that he's not ignorant, especially about car care? If you don't care about what your car looks like, then that's fine, but don't hate on others who have different viewpoints. Dam man, the fella was just kidding anyway.

You can take that hater attitude you got there and stick it in your zaino bottle and take turns polishing your hater buddies' arses for all I care....maybe then it'll be put to good use. I get sick of people like you putting down people other than your clique on this board...cool enthusiast. I'm out.

Christ, read my damn posts.

He has a right to think that, and so do you, but you're gonna get ragged on because you're talking about crap about a product you've never tried. (there it is again)

Due to him never trying Zaino, his opinion is assinine, plain and simple.

It's not all that. Hmmm. Has he ever tried Zaino? No. Have YOU ever tried Zaino? No. So how the **** can you say it's 'not all that'. Do you see me talking crap about the products he uses? Hell no, because I don't know what he uses. If I did, and I actually used the product, I would tell you my opinion. If it's some stuff I've never used, I'll keep my mouth shut. Why can't you two do the same?

You've got to be kidding me. Yes, him posting pics of his car/awards makes me think he's not ignorant. ROFLMAO. WTF kind of logic is that? I never said he's ignorant about car care, he's ignorant when he posts his opinion of Zaino.

I don't care about what my car looks like? When did I say that? :rolleyes:

I'm gonna hate on others if they spew crap about a product they've never tried.

Bull$hit. First post maybe, the rest hell no.

Desperation attempt.

Then leave.

I don't know how many more times I'll have to say this, but I'll say it again.

You and him got ragged on because ya'll were talking crap about a product you've never tried before. Naturally, since it's the product I use, I will defend it, and I'm gonna call you out.

Until you've tried Zaino, and used it like you're supposed to, you'll have NO RIGHT to talk shiz about it. No, wait, you will have the right, but you can bet your a$$ I'm gonna be calling you out.

The hole you're digging is getting deeper and deeper...

-John

Yeah, he would never stoop so low, would he?

Has anyone herd of and used Griots car products (ie..wax,polish,etc). If so what do you think?

Gawd, not another Zaino fight. :rolleyes:

Look man, how many times do I have to tell you that I have seen zainoed cars and non zainoed cars, and zaino ain't all that. I never said it sucked for its shine, it gives a good shine. But, IMHO, it has too many steps. I havent used it because I have seen other cars who have...the furthest I got was the directions and that was enough for me, when I already have good methods at my disposal. The points I made were that it was too expensive for the shine it gave, had too many steps, and that there's no replacement for a professional buff (which doesn't cost as much as you think). You can't argue with that, so all your useless bantering means nothing. Your ego even surpasses Rush Limbaugh if you think that your 'cause I say so' approach to argument actually sways opinion....what I got hot about was you getting all personal like you always do with someone who disagrees with the world accoring to "the CEGer formally known as JVT"

BUT Gator, you got me on that one...can't argue with that...point's taken.

Haven't used anything except the Leather conditioner, and it worked well.

I've read reviews, and their products seem to be top notch, beating Meguiar's/Mothers in a review I read a while back.

Last time I checked though, the stuff was fairly pricey for the amount you got, but not sure how much you use for every coat, which might offset the cost, kinda like Zaino.

-John

So you saw a Zainoed car and didn't think it was all that, yet you like its shine? Too much depth, color...?

Doesn't surpass the number of steps needed for applying a wax (wash, prep, polish, etc)

People could care less if you disagree with them. Its when you're argument becomes illogical that starts these stupid flamewars.

Griot's whole catalog is cool.

I would buy almost everything in there. The porter orbital they sell is awesome. If you can invest the money, that's an incredibly good deal...

First time I've heard you say that, so lay off the 'how many times'. Where and whos' cars did you compare?

I never said that you said it doesn't shine. You did fully admit that you blasted Zaino even though you've never tried it. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Obvious you've never used it. Just as many (then actually LESS) steps than if you were to do a 'comparable' Meguiar's treatment. Good thing you said 'In My Humble Opinion'...

Sure I can, see above.

Wash car w/ Dawn, clay the car, wash w/ dawn again, apply Z1, then Z5 (swirl/scratch remover) until you're satisfied, then finish with Z2 (the polish)

Sure, the initial step is probably a weekend job, but after that, all you're doing is adding coats of Z2, using the spray detailer, then using Z5 once in a while when more scratches/swirls pop up. Z1/claybar/Dawn is no longer used. You can clay the car once a year or so, and throw on a coat of Z1 (the polish lock) when needed. (once every year or so)

How is that too many steps? Lets ask Roger what steps he uses w/ his Meguiar's.

If you're not willing to do that, then somebody else, NOT ME, doesn't care about how their car looks. (pot, kettle, thank you)

I don't need to sway opinions. I have mine, and they are valid, unlike those of Extreme LX and you.

Will you quit w/ this personal crap? He made a statement, I disagreed w/ it, he had no proof to back it up, I called him out saying he's ignorant. Did I hurt his feelings? If so, let him respond. If not, why the fug are you offended?

Oh, since I always get personal, please tell me when and where in which post I was personal.

Cry to mommy.

-John