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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:

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Originally posted by Renee:

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Also, knowing full well now that Michael & Jeff Gordon are friends, as well as Michael being friend with Tony Stewart, they might exact a little revenge on Robby, especially since Tony owes Michael for Michael taking out Ryan Newman at Louden after Ryan wrecked Tony. LOLOLOLOL

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OMG. What is this, the WWF?

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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:

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Originally posted by Renee:

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Also, knowing full well now that Michael & Jeff Gordon are friends, as well as Michael being friend with Tony Stewart, they might exact a little revenge on Robby, especially since Tony owes Michael for Michael taking out Ryan Newman at Louden after Ryan wrecked Tony. LOLOLOLOL

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OMG. What is this, the WWF?

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Originally posted by Rara:

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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

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So the road courses prove to people that don't understand cars that stock cars can handle.... yet they still hate on the other tracks.

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You do realize that every Nextel Cup team has seperate, specific, complete cars built for only the road courses? Except for the road course cars, everything on the oval cars is asymmetric. They even have several different cars for different types of ovals.

This is the kind of stuff that bothers me about Nascar and Nextel Cup specifically. These are supposed to be STOCK cars, and they couldn't be any further from what you buy off the showroom floor. I mean, when was the last time you saw a tube frame, carbed V8, RWD, 2-door fusion? Heck, I understand the need for prepping a race car for safety etc probably better than anyone here, but come on, this is ridiculous. I mean, our Grand Am Cup Mustangs still look like mustangs!!! And we actually retain a number of stock components, including the unibody . . .

Anyway, for anyone that actually likes road racing with cars that aren't too far removed from what most of us drive, Check out Grand Am Cup (and Rolex) www.grandamerican.com and while you're at it you can cheer for your favorite CEG admin's team, Rehagen Racing w/ the #59 2005 Mustang GT (we also run two 04 Cobras from time to time, #52 and #58)

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Toss in sometimes widely disparate speeds and different braking/handling characteristics between the sportscar classes, and it suddenly becomes *very* interesting...to the point where it make 'stock' cars (why do they still call them that?) seem boring, relatively speaking.

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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

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Originally posted by Lexxer:

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Eh I could care less for nascar its so damn boring. Almost rather watch golf.

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wow you must realllyy hate nascar!

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I much rather watch golf, and in fact, I do.

I enjoyed stock car racing when you could buy a car off the showroom floor, add a few mods & you had a full blown race car like the ones on the track. It had some meaning & relevance since they used cars you could actually get your hands on. Additionally, there wasn't a whole lot stopping you from putting together a 'team' and heading to the races yourself.

Now they've got some goofy 'skin' strapped onto a race frame & driveline that have NOTHING in common with the car they resemble except MAYBE the engine block manufacturer.

For example, the Taurus they race in NASCAR is a two door RWD. I've never seen a RWD Taurus much less a Taurus coupe, and certainly never even heard of one capable of 700hp.

[double redneck flaimbait] NASCAR, the WWF of racing. [/double redneck flaimbait]

Originally posted by Hightower GT:

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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:

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Originally posted by Renee:

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Also, knowing full well now that Michael & Jeff Gordon are friends, as well as Michael being friend with Tony Stewart, they might exact a little revenge on Robby, especially since Tony owes Michael for Michael taking out Ryan Newman at Louden after Ryan wrecked Tony. LOLOLOLOL

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OMG. What is this, the WWF?

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This is Renee's soap opera. I guess her rabbit ears don't get General Hospital?

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No, I am too smart to be watching General Hospital but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that would ya? How's Luke & Laura doing anyway?

Originally posted by TourDeForce:

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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

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Originally posted by Lexxer:

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Eh I could care less for nascar its so damn boring. Almost rather watch golf.

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wow you must realllyy hate nascar!

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I much rather watch golf, and in fact, I do.

I enjoyed stock car racing when you could buy a car off the showroom floor, add a few mods & you had a full blown race car like the ones on the track. It had some meaning & relevance since they used cars you could actually get your hands on. Additionally, there wasn't a whole lot stopping you from putting together a 'team' and heading to the races yourself.

Now they've got some goofy 'skin' strapped onto a race frame & driveline that have NOTHING in common with the car they resemble except MAYBE the engine block manufacturer.

For example, the Taurus they race in NASCAR is a two door RWD. I've never seen a RWD Taurus much less a Taurus coupe, and certainly never even heard of one capable of 700hp.

[double redneck flaimbait] NASCAR, the WWF of racing. [/double redneck flaimbait]

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Exactly. And yes Goonz I really do hate nascar. Such a redneck thing

BLK I can't believe you wasted 5 minutes of your life writing that huge of a post on something like nascar lol

Originally posted by Blk560:

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Actually, the road courses prove to people who follow top-level professional motorsports that the 'stock cars' are among the poorest handling of purpose-built race cars, and hardly any better than some production-based race cars.

An objective comparison of fast qualifiers at shared venues between Nextel Cup and NASCAR's Grand Am road racing series bears this out. The ~550hp Daytona Prototypes (which we all know are by no means near the pinnacle of speed and handling for a sports prototype) outqualify the 800hp 'stock cars' by 5 seconds on average over the Watkins Glen short course. But even though both are purpose-built tube-frame racers I suppose that's an unfair comparison to many since it's a 'stock car' against a prototype. So, moving on to the production class, where the average sub-400hp Rolex GT production (!) qualifier is about 5 seconds back of the average Nextel Cup qualifier, and the fastest GT qualifier is within 1 second of the slowest 'stocker'. For cars that rolled off a factory assembly line and having to make do with design constraints and performance limitations you'd never force into a purpose-built racecar, they do an awful lot with their 400hp and light weight to get that close to an 800hp 'stock car'.

But in the end, it's whatever floats your boat (or rolling billboard...). It's all good...

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Originally posted by Goonz SVT:

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Originally posted by Lexxer:

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Eh I could care less for nascar its so damn boring. Almost rather watch golf.

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wow you must realllyy hate nascar!

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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

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You have to recognize how good both those GT cars and the nextel cup cars handle. As you said, the nextel cup cars are faster, and look at what they're doing that with. The GT cars have some technology that is more advanced. The GT cars are also more aerodynamic. I didn't say they were the top dog, I said they handle good. Is that not a correct statement?

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The 'stock cars' are faster quite mostly due to brute force...400hp in a mass-produced street car can't match 800hp in a purpose-built race car -- one of the main reasons a production GT can even get close is the lightness that's been added (~2500lb vs. 3400lb for a 'stocker') and more advanced tyre construction, making for a more nimble machine.

And this 'advanced' technology that's in a modern production GT, well...it's just out of this world ...things like unit-body construction, fuel injection, ABS, fully independent suspensions. Last I checked, those were technologies most of us can find on our everyday street cars, and many of the features that turn them into race cars have been on the racing scene for years now, so, relatively speaking, there's not much 'advanced' stuff going on there (compared to, say, F1), unless you consider 21st century 'advanced'. If you ask me, Speed GT & Touring Car, Grand Am Cup & Rolex GT, and American le Mans GT classes are the current stock car racing anyway...

Depending on the circuit, 'more aerodynamic' is less clear-cut, as the downforce-producing devices on a production GT come with a drag penalty.

In the end, yes, 'stockers' and production GT's both handle good, as you say, but let's make a distinct clarification here that as far as purpose-built race chassis' go, 'stock cars' are among the worst handlers (1000 fewer pounds would go a long way to help). To be almost matched by a production GT car with half the power and the design limitations posed by a production chassis isn't something to brag about.

But in the end it's whatever you find most enjoyable that matters -