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Originally posted by Stylin55_oh:
10 best lists are created by the stem of the perception issues of poor quality american cars, the automotive media. In their eyes, if it isnt foreign it is crap.
BS, you are full of crap son. I've probably owned more cars than the number of years you've lived on this earth, or close to it. Let's take a look at how biased the 2005 engine list was shall we?
The Ward's 10 Best Engines for 2005: (Engine and tested vehicle)
* Audi AG FSI 3.2L DOHC V-6 (Audi A6)
* Audi AG 4.2L DOHC V-8 (Audi S4)
* DaimlerChrysler AG 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Chrysler 300C)
* DaimlerChrysler AG Mercedes-Benz 3.2L DOHC I-6 CDI Turbodiesel
(Mercedes E320 CDI)
* Ford Motor Co. 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Ford Mustang GT)
* General Motors Corp. Vortec 4.2L DOHC I-6 (Chevrolet TrailBlazer)
* Honda Motor Co. Ltd. 3L SOHC V-6 IMA Hybrid (Honda Accord Hybrid)
* Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Acura 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Acura RL)
* Mazda Motor Corp. 1.3L Renesis rotary (Mazda RX-8)
* Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35 Coupe)
So, let's see now, three out of ten are American designed engines, one from Ford (the modular V8), one from GM (I6), and one from Chrysler (the Hemi). Three are from European manufacturers, two from Audi, one from Mercedes, and four are from Japan, two of which are Honda, one from Nissan, and one from Mazda for it's rotary engine design. How exactly is that biased, it is almost equally weighted across three continents. Nice try, but I'm not buying your argument because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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Yes there was a time not to long ago that being lazy left the big 3 significantly behind japanese cars in quality issues.. but at that time all jap cars were UGLY econoboxes. Still to this day i feel they rule that specific marketplace.
Nah, the Korean's own the econobox marketplace nowadays, haven't you noticed.  The Japs are increasing their market share in the bread and butter family sedan and light truck marketplace, which is why the big three are hurting so much now, because that's where they made most of their money over the past 20 years, especially with cheap gas in the SUV segment which is dying off quickly now and the Big 3 are being caught with their pants down. When gas was cheap the big 3 had control of the light truck marketplace solidly, but that is changing due to higher energy prices.
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If you are an english teacher who needs a vehicle to get her to class and the library, then go buy a toyota corolla as there is very strong argument this is the best car in this situation. But once you step outside of that realm, where cars have an excitement to them, i think every company is on a fairly level playing field minus the negative opinions people hold on american cars.
I agree that each manufacturer has niche market cars that appeal to a small number of people that provide driving excitement and decent performance. However when it comes to selling 250,000 cars in larger market segments, the big 3 just can't seem to get it right lately.
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after all of this my main point is simply this. 98% of the members on this site are ford enthusiasts. We might buy a non ford in our lives, but we don't think ford's are crap. I know you bought a nissan and now that brand is god to you, but the rest of us dont share that point of view and your arguments aren't fact based enough to win this arguement.
Yeah, OK, my Nissan is god to me. Where did I say that exactly? Did I not say that this is the 1st Nissan I've owned? The fact is the Nissan I currently own is a half decent car, but it's not all that. It's a grocery getter family sedan, just like my SVTC was. I've owned Mazda's (MX6 LS and MX3), Fords (Escort Pony, Windstar, and SVTC), GM's (Chevy Venture - soon to be a GMC Acadia probably, Camaro SS), Chryslers (Dodge Stratus, Dodge Caravan, Acclaim), Toyotas (Corolla and Camry), Hondas (Prelude and Accord), Subaru (GL), Nissan (Altima) and a few others.
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personally i think you car is ugly. ha! 
Wanna race? You'll only see the taillights I promise.
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