Originally posted by cjbaldw:
Originally posted by warmonger:
You joker, I tuned my STOCK Block duratec with stock internals to well above any normal engine and at least to levels as high or higher than any stock nissan engine can handle.



So your stock Duratec engine can handle over 400whp with no problem right? Because there are MANY turbo'd VQ30DE engines in that range with stock internals, some as high as 500whp.



How many people are out there making turbo duratechs.. how many are making turbo "anything japenese because its like so sweet" yes they've seen higher numbers but they have a lot more time, money, and labor going into such applications

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I won't say its better but it isn't inferior by any means. The SVT 2.5L engine was award winning in the years 10 best engines in those short three years it was made.
It was making 200HP out of a 2.5L when nissan was making 222HP out of a 3.0L.


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Like I said, I loved my SVTC, it had a great engine that had oil starvation problems from the outset due to a bad design of the oil pan and oil return system. Luckily mine went for 88k miles with zero internal problems, many others have no been so fortunate on this site.


my car has 140,000 no problems and i drive it hard every single day, ive owned it since 98k .. so dont make it sound like every motor was a pile (i will admit there was an initial design flaw but again as warmonger stated people's perception of such issues are so biased against american automakers)

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You're talking about a 3.5L in their top of the line sports car dynoing what, only 15HP more than some of our home-built enthusiast engines?



Yep, with a flatter torque curve and bone stock, not one modification as compared to your enthusiast modified engine. There are many, MANY, single and twin turbo VQ35DE's marching around now with anywher from 400rwhp to over 500rwhp in 350's with stock internals. Guys with built VQ35De's are running 700+rwhp now on TT systems. How many Duratecs are there on this site or any other vehicle site that uses a Duratec that have this much power and are still a daily driver? There are many 06 350's with mods that are closing in on 300+rwhp with bolt-on mods also.


if this motor is sooo0o0o0ooo perfect.. why did noble choose the duratech for the M12.

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Go smoke some more of that Nissan tailpipe. lol
If Ford would make available some higher performance cams through their motorsports division then things might be even more dramatically in the our favor.
Instead we have to rob parts from commuter cars to NEARLY equal the motor output of a Nissan sports car motor. Imagine if we had some race designed cams.....

And have you ever compared the dyno of a modifed 3L with the nissan 3.5L in the Altima/Maxima? The Duratec with SVT cams is so much broader and flatter.




Yeah OK, now who's smoking crack? Show me the dyno graphs...and I'm not a Nissan fan by any stretch, this is the 1st Nissan I've owned. I've owned a variety of different model cars and I can appreciate each one of them for what they are. I never said Nissan didn't have it's weak points or problems, but I would never put the Duratec engine in the same class as the VQ series Nissan engines. If you haven't noticed, the Ward's 10 best engines does not have the Duratec and hasn't had the Duratec engine on the list for several years now, but I sure do still see the VQ series engine on there, wonder why that is?



10 best lists are created by the stem of the perception issues of poor quality american cars, the automotive media. In their eyes, if it isnt foreign it is crap. Yes there was a time not to long ago that being lazy left the big 3 significantly behind japanese cars in quality issues.. but at that time all jap cars were UGLY econoboxes. Still to this day i feel they rule that specific marketplace. If you are an english teacher who needs a vehicle to get her to class and the library, then go buy a toyota corolla as there is very strong argument this is the best car in this situation. But once you step outside of that realm, where cars have an excitement to them, i think every company is on a fairly level playing field minus the negative opinions people hold on american cars


after all of this my main point is simply this. 98% of the members on this site are ford enthusiasts. We might buy a non ford in our lives, but we don't think ford's are crap. I know you bought a nissan and now that brand is god to you, but the rest of us dont share that point of view and your arguments aren't fact based enough to win this arguement.

personally i think you car is ugly. ha!

1998.5 Diamond White Pearl SVT (#4725) custom exhaust/intake k&N/mod'ed y-pipe slotted rotors/greenstuff pads/SS lines cougar trans/FSVT shift tower/Torsen 16lb. flywheel 18" Velox VX-8's with some rubba bands