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Originally posted by warmonger:

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How does your nissan 3.5 compare to that? About the same with an extra .5L displacement. All things considered the 3.0L conversion with cams exhaust and tuning is about as efficient as the 3.5L in the 350z producing less power but not by a lot and definitely expected with the half liter smaller engine.

So its all relative.

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The VQ35DE rev-up engine with the new cams is dyno'ing over 250rwhp in the 06 350Z's bone stock. Add Nismo cams, intake, and exhaust (similar to the scenario you outlined for the 3.0L Duratec) and the numbers only go higher. And MANY people have tuned the VQ30DE engines well beyond any Duratec engine without having to replace stock internals.

As a former SVTC owner, I loved the Duratec engine, but I wouldn't put in the same class as Nissan's award winning V6 lineup for 10 years running. Just my .02. And in short order the next gen Nissan V6 will be out, and it'll trump the competition once again...

Originally posted by Y2KGreenSE:

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Just because the CSVT [or SVTC to some purists] was canned, doesn't mean SVT is dead.

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Originally posted by Pete D:

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AFAIK, Ford's market share is still slipping and this isn't going to bring many customers too them. Sure people might end up getting a Freestyle or something with the new engine (because it isn't underpowered any more) but they won't be stealing any competition from the Japanese (and now Korean) name plates, which is what they NEED to do.

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And you think its high powered engines and turbos that are winning the Japanese a higher market share?
NOT. Those are low volume niche vehicles.
It is the trucks and commuter cars that the Japanese are winning at, mainly through higher quality, reliability, and resale value...or at least the perception of that.

They are still riding high on their reputation from the 80s and 90s though in reality they are now suffering from some of the same stinging recalls and quality issues that the big three have been going through for years.
Witness the latest string of recalls and Toyota executives that are under investigation right now.

I really think that Ford isn't producing vehicles that are behind the competition, they aren't. The vehicles are reliable and high quality. It is the American Mindset and impression of quality from the 70s and 80s that still persists and is driving a lot of present day attitudes....which directly affects sales.

Think about it, you buy a new Ford and you get one problem and you think "Hell, poor quality american car I shoulda bought a Japanese car, this is the first sign of a lemon"

You buy a Japanese car and get one problem and think " Oh well, they aren't perfect and this is a minor issue, probably the only problem I'll have on this HIGH QUALITY Japanese car, man I'm glad I didn't buy a Ford as it would be so much worse"

In effect the attitude will now cause the person to slam the american car on initial quality surveys yet with the japanese car they will minimize the problem to defend their purchase of the higher quality car.

So there is so much more going on in this issue of Technological superiority and quality versus the Perception of quality or advantage.

Originally posted by cjbaldw:

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Originally posted by warmonger:

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How does your nissan 3.5 compare to that? About the same with an extra .5L displacement. All things considered the 3.0L conversion with cams exhaust and tuning is about as efficient as the 3.5L in the 350z producing less power but not by a lot and definitely expected with the half liter smaller engine.

So its all relative.

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The VQ35DE rev-up engine with the new cams is dyno'ing over 250rwhp in the 06 350Z's bone stock. Add Nismo cams, intake, and exhaust (similar to the scenario you outlined for the 3.0L Duratec) and the numbers only go higher. And MANY people have tuned the VQ30DE engines well beyond any Duratec engine without having to replace stock internals.

As a former SVTC owner, I loved the Duratec engine, but I wouldn't put in the same class as Nissan's award winning V6 lineup for 10 years running. Just my .02. And in short order the next gen Nissan V6 will be out, and it'll trump the competition once again...

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You joker, I tuned my STOCK Block duratec with stock internals to well above any normal engine and at least to levels as high or higher than any stock nissan engine can handle. I won't say its better but it isn't inferior by any means. The SVT 2.5L engine was award winning in the years 10 best engines in those short three years it was made.
It was making 200HP out of a 2.5L when nissan was making 222HP out of a 3.0L.

You're talking about a 3.5L in their top of the line sports car dynoing what, only 15HP more than some of our home-built enthusiast engines?

Go smoke some more of that Nissan tailpipe. lol
If Ford would make available some higher performance cams through their motorsports division then things might be even more dramatically in the our favor.
Instead we have to rob parts from commuter cars to NEARLY equal the motor output of a Nissan sports car motor. Imagine if we had some race designed cams.....

And have you ever compared the dyno of a modifed 3L with the nissan 3.5L in the Altima/Maxima? The Duratec with SVT cams is so much broader and flatter.

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They said that it is designed for adding, direct injection, turbo-charging, hyrbridization and other technologies down the road. Yet, all of those techs are here today (and some, like turbos have been around a long time). IMO, if they wanted to make a big splash they should have put some of those things in the engine NOW.

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AFAIK, Ford's market share is still slipping and this isn't going to bring many customers too them. Sure people might end up getting a Freestyle or something with the new engine (because it isn't underpowered any more) but they won't be stealing any competition from the Japanese (and now Korean) name plates, which is what they NEED to do.

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Originally posted by sigma:

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Ford isn't losing ground to the Japanese because it's motors aren't big enough. There are countless reasons why, motors being the least of which. Small cars and small engines are what sells for the Japanese companies. And putting a 300hp motor in a Fusion might sell a couple thousand, but it's not going to sell a quarter-million. For the incredible vast majority of consumers of sedans and crossovers, a V6 only needs to be large enough to provide some confidence-inducing torque, but small enough to provide the fuel efficiency to go with it. Few consumers are wowed by some outrageous high-powered version of family cars or crossovers which is why to this day I have never seen an Altima SE-R on the road, nor do any of my local dealers have any in stock. The demand is virtually nil.

If Ford had a sports coupe that was competing against the 350z then you'd have a point if they were sticking a 265hp motor in it. But, unfortunately, they don't. But in the cars that they are putting the Duratec35 into, it will provide them with more than adequate power for the current market and, in the case of the Edge, what I believe will be class-leading power.

Is that going to "save" Ford? No. Probably not. But sticking a 320hp motor wouldn't help them any more either. All that'd get them is even more people going "Pfft. American companies just don't get it" while they go and buy their 32mpg 260hp Japanese cars.

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Originally posted by ZoomZoom Diva:

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It's far from perfection. It needs forced induction to keep up with naturally aspirated competitors, and even in that guise cannot compete in economy and refinement. GM has a horrible penchant in the last 20 years or so for pushing antiquated technologies as far as they can go instead of pushing themselves ahead with new ones.

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Originally posted by Beans:

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man, you people are so mean

i couldnt imagine a bigger engine than a 3.0 in a contour, hell the 2.5 is big..

Someone here will do it tho...

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way under powered..the Nissan VQ 3.5 is 270hp - 300hp..

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yeah and they're also in cars that are alot more expensive too.

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not at all..u can find that in an Altima, Maxima, G35 sedan/coupe..FX..alota other models..or u can get a pre-owned and still enjoy the VQ..

Originally posted by cjbaldw:

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Originally posted by warmonger:

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How does your nissan 3.5 compare to that? About the same with an extra .5L displacement. All things considered the 3.0L conversion with cams exhaust and tuning is about as efficient as the 3.5L in the 350z producing less power but not by a lot and definitely expected with the half liter smaller engine.

So its all relative.

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The VQ35DE rev-up engine with the new cams is dyno'ing over 250rwhp in the 06 350Z's bone stock. Add Nismo cams, intake, and exhaust (similar to the scenario you outlined for the 3.0L Duratec) and the numbers only go higher. And MANY people have tuned the VQ30DE engines well beyond any Duratec engine without having to replace stock internals.

As a former SVTC owner, I loved the Duratec engine, but I wouldn't put in the same class as Nissan's award winning V6 lineup for 10 years running. Just my .02. And in short order the next gen Nissan V6 will be out, and it'll trump the competition once again...

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I wouldn't say ANY Duratec, don't forget Aston Martin 6.0l v12's are duratec's. But now I'm just being picky....sorry.