Originally posted by IRingTwyce:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
I mean, unless you spend all your time going to extremes to protect yourself and thus looking like a lunatic most of the time, then you're not doing everything you can.



Are you saying that if this woman had taken her car key off the ring to give to the valet, then that would be a lunatic extreme in protecting herself?
There is nothing lunatic in using simple common sense to protect ones self and ones property. I would also posit that it is not lunatic to protect ones self beyond common sense, i.e. registered fire-arms and proper training. Besides, I'd rather look slightly paranoid while breathing than look stupid but pretty in a casket.

This is her fault in the sense that she herself could have prevented it by using just a ounce, nay, a SMIDGEN! of common sense!!

It is not her fault in the sense that this guy was a nut, and if she was specifically targeted (i.e. having nothing to do with her GIVING him the keys) then he's going to do it regardless. Remember, locks are for honest people.

I think he was an opportunist, more so than a methodical monster, but assigning fault here is not what's needed. Assigning responsibility is. She was 100% irresponsible in handing over all her keys. Period. The valet is 100% responsible for his actions AFTER she gave him the keys.


Thank you for saving me from stating the obvious. Some people seem to think personal responsibility is not their well, responsibility. It's not paranoia or looking like a lunatic IT'S COMMON FREAKING SENSE! If you walk around with your head up your bum all the time, expect to be mugged sooner or later. I've said this many times before, you and you alone are resposibile for your safety. I don't even leave a garage door opener in my cars at night. Why? So when some stupid punk breaks into my car and finds the opener he isn't tempted to come in my house and force me to deal with him. My new bike is cabled to a forged eyebolt recessed in the floor. If you get in the garage, (not likely) you won't get my bike. And I'm a very light sleeper. I'm not picking on you Kremit, it's just that you have the "I'm twenty-something and know all" sydrome. I didn't listen to my father or any adults when I was your age either, and I now realize what a wealth of information I snubbed. Because of that I learned a LOT of stuff thru the school of hard knocks, and my body shows it. my Dad died at 83 with his original knees and I've had both of mine operated on. He knew, I didn't listen. My parents are no longer here to draw life experiences from and thats sad.
Now I have no choice but to learn the hard way.

Some day you'll look back and realize how little you really did know at this point in your life.

Jim T

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats".--H.L. Mencken Bumper sticker, OXYMORON #65 - Liberal Thinker