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Originally posted by BloodyTomFlint:
After Hitler is mentioned the thread is supposed to end, according to the study or article or whatever.
I do agree that saying essentially "you don't agree with me therefore you like Hitler" shows a rather profound lack of any good point whatsoever.
The point of my Hitler comment was to say, that in some terms, war does prove who is 'right.' If Hitler and the Axis powers would have won WWII, in essence, it would have made them 'right.' Wars are typically put in a Good v Evil type of context. Is 'evil' ever right? Is 'good' ever bad? Thats the whole point of the comment I made. For the majority of our country's involvement in conflicts we have been on the 'good' side from a world's perspective / benefit, whether that's seen now, or from 20 years from now.
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So why didn't you say something like that in the first place?
And whoever wins a war is automatically "right?" That is definitely an odd point of view...
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Originally posted by Tourige:
And our soliders get in trouble for the smallest thing.. I say GLASS THOSE [censored]. GOD DAMNIT STUPID [censored] [censored] I HOPE THEY BURN IN [censored] HELL
One question!?!?! What is this Our? I checked and your canadian seems you have alot of soldiers over there 
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So, we'll get all worked up about this and pissed off, but when it comes to actually pulling OUR troops out of harms way you say "Stay the course. Stay in until the job is done." Who defines "the job?"
As long as we are in that foreign land, EXPECT STUFF LIKE THIS!!! Why even pretend to be suprised that this happened?
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Originally posted by 92x_Hightower:
So, we'll get all worked up about this and pissed off, but when it comes to actually pulling OUR troops out of harms way you say "Stay the course. Stay in until the job is done." Who defines "the job?"
As long as we are in that foreign land, EXPECT STUFF LIKE THIS!!! Why even pretend to be suprised that this happened?
'The job' is defined by the CINC. Not surprised it happened. Its expected to happen when your dealing with that type of ideology.
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
You know, it's an interesting coincidence that this came up. I was watching the Band Of Brothers "Why We Fight" episode last night, and it's rather remarkable how similar the plot to that episode is to Three Kings, and in many ways to the current and recent situation in Iraq. You have a major conflict that's come (or is coming) to an end, you have soldiers wondering what the point was (and incidentally, grabbing their spoils of war), and then you have The Discovery. In WWII, it was the death camps. In Iraq, it has been just how brutal Hussein, and then al Qaeda, was and is towards dissenters and civilians, not to mention our troops.
I wonder...I suspect...that this snatch-and-kill might be the death rattle of insurgency in Iraq.
Interesting observation. I'm struggling to see the parallels, though. Gruesome killings have been a hallmark of AlQaeda since the beginning... that's nothing new. I'm not sure what the "discovery at the end of the campaign" would be in this case.
FWIW that episode of Band of Brothers was my favorite.
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Originally posted by 92x_Hightower:
So, we'll get all worked up about this and pissed off, but when it comes to actually pulling OUR troops out of harms way you say "Stay the course. Stay in until the job is done." Who defines "the job?"
As long as we are in that foreign land, EXPECT STUFF LIKE THIS!!! Why even pretend to be suprised that this happened?
who's suprised? 
people are upset, and they should be. 
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I'm glad I'm an ass referring to someone's idiotic comment about how war is basically a non-valuable tool in unfortnate circumstances.
Maybe if you knew my basic stances on something there JED you wouldn't insert your foot into your mouth, but thanks for playing!
You need to stop reading so far into things. Nowhere did i nor did i mean to imply that hitler or the holocaust was right. Those were your words.
If you look at an iraqi insurgent who blows himself and a couple of innocent people, or some us troops - in his mind, he is right. And all of his comrades believe the same thing. So who is to say who is right and who is not?? Yes hitler was evil, and we destroyed him and his country - that's all.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
You know, it's an interesting coincidence that this came up. I was watching the Band Of Brothers "Why We Fight" episode last night, and it's rather remarkable how similar the plot to that episode is to Three Kings, and in many ways to the current and recent situation in Iraq. You have a major conflict that's come (or is coming) to an end, you have soldiers wondering what the point was (and incidentally, grabbing their spoils of war), and then you have The Discovery. In WWII, it was the death camps. In Iraq, it has been just how brutal Hussein, and then al Qaeda, was and is towards dissenters and civilians, not to mention our troops.
I wonder...I suspect...that this snatch-and-kill might be the death rattle of insurgency in Iraq.
Interesting observation. I'm struggling to see the parallels, though. Gruesome killings have been a hallmark of AlQaeda since the beginning... that's nothing new. I'm not sure what the "discovery at the end of the campaign" would be in this case.
FWIW that episode of Band of Brothers was my favorite.
Well, yeah, that's true about AQ. Still, the point is more along the lines of the "Why are we here?" complaints. For all that we've grown up with this history of the epic noble struggle of the Allies against the Axis and all the atrocities that Hitler and the Nazis committed, it's really interesting to me to note that the same questions and complaints were being made before the Nazi camps were discovered. I'm not sure how much that applied for the period after.
A childhood friend of my mother's, who is ex-military (Marines AND Air Force, IIRC) and in his 60s, was complaining the last time we saw him about the waste of time and people that the Iraq war had been. And it led my mom to comment later (after our visit with him) that she would have thought that he would have been more supportive of liberating people from genocidal forces, what with him being Jewish and of an age when the Holocaust had just ended when he was born (not that his parents were there, but just that the times coincided).
But then, I suppose it's not necessary to understand everyone's feelings on a matter.
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Originally posted by TGO:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I'm glad I'm an ass referring to someone's idiotic comment about how war is basically a non-valuable tool in unfortnate circumstances.
Maybe if you knew my basic stances on something there JED you wouldn't insert your foot into your mouth, but thanks for playing!
You need to stop reading so far into things. Nowhere did i nor did i mean to imply that hitler or the holocaust was right. Those were your words.
If you look at an iraqi insurgent who blows himself and a couple of innocent people, or some us troops - in his mind, he is right. And all of his comrades believe the same thing. So who is to say who is right and who is not?? Yes hitler was evil, and we destroyed him and his country - that's all.
I wasn't suggesting that you were specifically identifying Hitler as being right, but by your statement one could qualify it as such. And you are right, by your statement with a suicide bomber, however, moderate Muslims (Gooz can chime here), which are the majority as far as I know, denounce such a thing, and many have said such killings are NOT condoned by Islam. Just as uber-right wing Christian freaks (David Koresh, etc) aren't right either....
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