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Legalizing marijuana is about a lot more than just having some weed for people to smoke. If marijuana were legal, the prejudices against industrial hemp (which is ineffective at best if smoked) would also dissipate, allowing for hemp to perform many roles for us and our society.

Hemp is a far more efficient source of paper and clothing fibers than wood or cotton. It not only grows quickly with a high yield, it requires little care of chemicals to grow. It also can reduce our dependence on foreign oil as a source of plastics, fuel, and chemicals.

Even as a smoked drug, I believe that people have the right to do it if they so wish, so long as people also have the right to not have it smoked on their property.


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Originally posted by TGO:
You never see someone stoned out of their mind picking fights or destroying stuff like a drunk person. I've never seen anyone smoke enough to not be able to walk under their own power, throw up, or die of poisoning. I've never seen anyone stoned enough to wake up and not remember where they are or how they got there either.




You know what I've never seen alcohol do? I've never seen it become a gateway to a bigger/worse drug.

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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Originally posted by TGO:
You never see someone stoned out of their mind picking fights or destroying stuff like a drunk person. I've never seen anyone smoke enough to not be able to walk under their own power, throw up, or die of poisoning. I've never seen anyone stoned enough to wake up and not remember where they are or how they got there either.




You know what I've never seen alcohol do? I've never seen it become a gateway to a bigger/worse drug.

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Ya know what I've never seen marijuana do? I've never seen it become a gateway to a bigger/worse drug

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edit: and since i know there will be shouts of "sources! sources!"

http://ideas.repec.org/a/eej/eeconj/v24y1998i2p149-164.html

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I see marijuana on the same level as alchohol, but drinking is by far much worse for you. the worst part is that about half of what the government tells you about marijuana is false, but the other half is true, and this is true for most illegal drugs. will ecstasy cause you to have dead spots in your brain? sure it will, if you use it on a VERY regular basis, then decide to go cold turkey. one pill? not gonna hurt you unless you dehydrate or take 3 of them.

do I think all drugs should be legal? no, but I think pot should have the same restrictions as liquor. you wanna smoke? go ahead, but don't walk around with a lit joint (open container) and you can't drive while stoned. I think the BIGGEST problem is that you can tell someone's BAC within moments of a simple test, but MJ can only be detected on a "in system" or "not in system" within 30 days (or so) type of test, and they're pricey at that.

so many people politicians and "important people" have admitted it's time to legalize it, but unfortunately it would cause a lot of problems with prisoners being released, screwing up our economy even more than it is, and there's still many large sections of the country who are resistant to any change, hence the reason gay marriage is still illegal (not trying to branch out our thread here, but honestly, it might go against your opinions, but it ain't hurting anyone).

anyhow, I have a million thoughts on the topic, but I have to be awake for work in 6 hours, so that is all


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Originally posted by Princess Tong Po:
Ya know what I've never seen marijuana do? I've never seen it become a gateway to a bigger/worse drug

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You know what I've never seen? A jackoff stoner react as fast as he thinks. I'm tired of the "stoners are such great drivers, we are so paranoid and aware of everything" BS that comes in every argument about marijuanasucksomepole. "Oooooooh, cool we're so stoooooned maaaaaan, we're driving 12 miles an hour, cooooooool." Well driving 12 miles an hour is a road hazard too!!
Not to mention, stoners think that it's cool to smoke WHILE they drive! And I thought women putting makeup on and talking on their cellphone was bad! But it's so cooooool maaaaan. Face it, it's illegal for a reason, and it's not going to change for a LOOOONG time.

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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Originally posted by Princess Tong Po:
Ya know what I've never seen marijuana do? I've never seen it become a gateway to a bigger/worse drug

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You know what I've never seen? A jackoff stoner react as fast as he thinks. I'm tired of the "stoners are such great drivers, we are so paranoid and aware of everything" BS that comes in every argument about marijuanasucksomepole. "Oooooooh, cool we're so stoooooned maaaaaan, we're driving 12 miles an hour, cooooooool." Well driving 12 miles an hour is a road hazard too!!
Not to mention, stoners think that it's cool to smoke WHILE they drive! And I thought women putting makeup on and talking on their cellphone was bad! But it's so cooooool maaaaan. Face it, it's illegal for a reason, and it's not going to change for a LOOOONG time.

Mark




well, i think we need to make a CLEAR distinction between "stoner" and "smoker." i'm not saying it should be legal without rules. that's just dumb. i am saying put it at the same level as alcohol. smoke? ok fine...don't drive. get caught driving while high? jail and suspension. 21 to buy it. etc...

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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Originally posted by TGO:
You never see someone stoned out of their mind picking fights or destroying stuff like a drunk person. I've never seen anyone smoke enough to not be able to walk under their own power, throw up, or die of poisoning. I've never seen anyone stoned enough to wake up and not remember where they are or how they got there either.




You know what I've never seen alcohol do? I've never seen it become a gateway to a bigger/worse drug.

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That's funny because according to the US Government, via the National Academy of Sciences, Alcohol has the greatest risk as a "gateway drug". Second greatest risk? Cigarettes. Third greatest risk? Heavy marijuana use (more than a whopping 10 per day). Fourth greatest risk? Psychiatric disorders.

People use faulty logic in the whole "Gateway Drug" thing. Yes, people who use heroin probably did some marijuana. But very few people who do marijuana will do heroin. It's like saying because all people that die from alcohol poisoning drink alcohol that all people that drink alcohol will die from alcohol poisoning.


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Originally posted by platinum_drew:
the worst part is that about half of what the government tells you about marijuana is false, but the other half is true, and this is true for most illegal drugs. will ecstasy cause you to have dead spots in your brain? sure it will, if you use it on a VERY regular basis, then decide to go cold turkey. one pill? not gonna hurt you unless you dehydrate or take 3 of them.






I was gonna let you go but as someone who has come through a 3 year ecstasy addiction, i have to comment. Going cold turkey will not cause dead spots in your brain. Constant use of the drug will, but we're talking years and years of abuse. One person I can think of has taken it since it was the real stuff back in the 80's (20 years) and is not dead. Memory loss? yes. Headaches? yes. unable to function in society? no. Will the effects fade? Who knows, he's got no intention on stopping.

Am I going to get an mri to look at my brain? no. I have experienced some short term memory loss...meaning general forgetfulness...tools, my phone, remembering to call people. But i was ditzy before hand. The most notable sideeffect was lack of motivation and a general "down feeling" in between trips (seratonin deficiency). All of which has faded in the short time i've been clean.

You're not going to die from taking 3 pills either. I'd been taking 3 pills a night since the day i started. The stuff you get nowadays is so low in actual mdxx that it's not like taking one pill in the 80's and trippin' your face off for 8-12 hours (unless you can get your hands on molly...good luck with that). For the last 2 years i have consistantly taken 3-6 per night, friday and saturday, every week. So probably somewhere around 1500 hits total in the past 3 years. Atleast.

If half of what you hear about weed is untrue, then 80% of what you hear about ecstasy is untrue. Those kids that died didn't dehydrate. They over hydrated, or just overheated themselves. That's just people not knowing their limits. I've never been high enough to not notice myself being in danger...and i've been pretty freakin' high. The main thing to be scared of is that some pills contain alot of meth. That stuff will do you dirty. But, if you want to be an addict as opposed to a casual user, you know your sources and what you're getting. You can buy kits to test whatever you buy and determine it's contents ($20), or just find a trusted source.


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i wonder how many CEGers who say weed is bad, smoke cigarettes? with all that we know about nicotine now, that is just stupid

and this isnt a smoker vs. non-smoker debate. i dont smoke. i used to in high school and intermittently afterwards but i never really liked it. i did it because all my friends did it. stupid, i know, that's why i stopped. but i know the effects of it and i dont think its a big deal.


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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Face it, it's illegal for a reason




And what reason is that?

-Because it has negative effects on health? (so do cigs, booze and even many kinds of food that are all legal)
-Because it impairs judgement? (alcohol does this a lot worse and is still legal, many other things do like low blood sugar and not enough sleep, but are there laws against that?)

The only real reason I can think of is that it isn't socially accepted in our puritan based, society whereas alcohol is.


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