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I have always contended that it's a bottom line issue. Simply look at the price of a quart of Honey and then look at the price of the most expensive alternative ... that right there my friends is why! Yes, honey is probably a better formulation, but the cost is out of whack with similarly formulated products. Let's not forget, they don't call it a stealership for nothing!
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Originally posted by Big Jim:
Originally posted by m!key:
all together now!....
ATF is not the food for the MTX, ATF is not the food for the MTX 
I'm not joining that chant.
Neither will I. Up until about a month ago, that's all I ran. Ran it with the friction modifier on my last rebuild, and it was smooth as silk. Figured I'd give the Syncromax a try, and it doesn't feel any different than the ATF did. Oh yeah, my ATF was as red as the day it went into the tranny. 
Mark
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So this weekend I did a motor pull and a trans swap. I had two trannies in front of me and both had run MTL. I took the shifter tower off the first and alas black residue. Same on the other. The owner of the car is currently running ATF in his car. I have a new concern with the royal purple now...gear rollover noise. I can hear it and that bothers me. 
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I have ATF in my trans temporarily and I can hear roll over. Why does it matter if you can hear it? You have an LSD and an aftermarket clutch. Durrrrr.
-'96 SE MTX 3L
-'98 SVT 1,173 of 6,535
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From TH.
....a thought for the day re MTX lube.What if you
owned say a Jag X type with an MTX75 trans...the
handbook says the honey fluid....the dealer chart
says the honey fluid...would you fill it with ATF!...I
doubt it...maybe because its a Jag eh!...Then why the
hell would owners with the same type of trans...be it
in a less costly car use ATF????...I guess they don't
think that much of the cheaper car huh!.....catch the drift!!!
-'96 SE MTX 3L
-'98 SVT 1,173 of 6,535
-'05 Mazda 6s, loaded, g/f's ride
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Originally posted by todras:
I have ATF in my trans temporarily and I can hear roll over. Why does it matter if you can hear it? You have an LSD and an aftermarket clutch. Durrrrr.
I suppose that is correct.
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As for this question of "why one forumulation spec than then another ... the first was spec at some time and should be good enough". We are supposed to learn from our mistakes aren't we? Engineers do the same thing ... at the time, the engineers thought that the spec was good enough. xxxxx service warranties later, they have rec-spec'd the fluid to avoid known issues. It's a simple by product of testing ... except that WE where the guinee pigs
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Originally posted by fastcougar:
As for this question of "why one forumulation spec than then another ... the first was spec at some time and should be good enough". We are supposed to learn from our mistakes aren't we? Engineers do the same thing ... at the time, the engineers thought that the spec was good enough. xxxxx service warranties later, they have rec-spec'd the fluid to avoid known issues. It's a simple by product of testing ... except that WE where the guinee pigs
But that's the real question isn't it. Maybe they know something they haven't told us. From the information posted here over the years, there was no proponderance of failed transmissions using ATF.
To add to that, Ford Honey doesn't have many of the qualities of most manual transmission fluids. The two biggest things going for it is that it is synthetic (probably group III, not the highest grade of synthetic at that) and that it has a high resistance to sludge (high TBN or total base number that resistists oxidation).
It seems to boil down to a choice of using a very expensive fluid that is good for two qualities or using ATF that is better matched in other areas but not as high in the ability to handle temperature extremes or oxidation.
Better still would be to use a synthetic fluid specifically blended for manual trans use. It should be an even better match. Two such fluids would be Torco and Specialty Formulations. Royal Purple may even be in that catagory. Red Line MTL should have been but has proven at least at times is not.
Different opinions is what makes a horse race. Hopefull we can learn to respect different opinions, especially when it is presented in such a way as to help others to make better informed decisions.
Just saying it is what Ford specs isn't a good enough answer for me.
Jim Johnson
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Wow. Well said. There is something to be said for not being cheap, but then again....
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put in amsoil atf and friction mod around 20k then a year or two later switched to mtl. i just drained the mtl around 65k while it was sunny and as it was draining i could see right thru it like it was fresh fluid. car now has just regular valvoline atf for about 2 weeks to get it ready for another flush for the syncromax. mtl wasnt the greatest in the new england winter weather. supposedly the rp stuff is better in colder weather. surprisingly the valvoline atf has been shifting pretty well. i flushed my brothers mtx too. it likely was never done with previous owner. car has 50k and fluid wasnt too pretty when it drained out. both cars should be drained this weekend again for the rp fluid.
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