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Originally posted by 98cont-UoG-FSAE:
that car's side profile is an Eclipse, and the front is from the tC. I bet both Toyota and Mitsu would be suing Chery if they were to try to bring that car to NA. Chery was already sued cause Chery's logo is a replica of Chevrolet's, not to mention the fact that the name is one replaced letter away from being Chevy. This kinda sh^* won't be tolerated in NA.
This too! (which is also the QQ featured in the crash test link...)
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I subscribe to consumer reports, and I have yet to see this data.
I'm sure USAToday just made up what Consumer Reports said. :rollseyes:
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Nonetheless, there is a measuable gap between Honda and Toyota, so even if Honda and Hyundai were the same it is still below toyota, which as my original statement said, Hyundai is not better than Toyota.
A "measurable gap" between Honda and Toyota?
You did read that, right? Honda (and therefore Hyundai) and Toyota were only 1 PP100 apart. That's not even remotely statistically significant.
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I don't see that in the link posted. Once again I am a member of CR and I have yet to see this data printed.
I can't help if you haven't seen any of the countless Consumer Reports articles about how great Hyundai is as of late. Doesn't mean it's not there. I can help that I mis-linked though, here's an appropriate link.
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I don't trust JD power worth an inch. Some of their studies are so stupid and skewed it isn't even funny.
Good for you. Same can be said for Consumer Reports. But that's not the point. The point is that multiple sources are acheiving rougly the same results -- all ranking Hyundai as one of the top manufacturers.
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Originally posted by sigma:
I'm sure USAToday just made up what Consumer Reports said. :rollseyes:
I just logged in now and couldn't seem to find this data, maybe they don't publish it to the members, maybe it was old, but I couldn't find it.
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A "measurable gap" between Honda and Toyota?
You did read that, right? Honda (and therefore Hyundai) and Toyota were only 1 PP100 apart. That's not even remotely statistically significant.
The purple is Toyota and dark blue is Honda (if anyone else is wondering, light blue is Ford, light green is GM, dark green is Chrysler and orange is VW)
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I can't help if you haven't seen any of the countless Consumer Reports articles about how great Hyundai is as of late. Doesn't mean it's not there. I can help that I mis-linked though, here's an appropriate link..
Hrm, according to CR, as of NOW, the Sonata isn't that great.
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Good for you. Same can be said for Consumer Reports. But that's not the point. The point is that multiple sources are acheiving rougly the same results -- all ranking Hyundai as one of the top manufacturers.
I never said Hyundai wasn't good, improving or otherwise, I said they weren't as good (or better than)as Toyota, which they are not.
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I would take the crock of horse crap CI puts out with a grain of salt. I mean look at that chart. Th Pontiac Grand Prix is ranked higher than the Honda Accord, but the G6 is lower than a Turbo subaru. WTF?
Hyundai is a threat, but I'll never buy one. Why you ask? The name is stupid. Hyundai. Hyundai. Hyundai. Not American.
I'm rooting for GM and Toyota in this one.
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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
Originally posted by 98cont-UoG-FSAE:
Originally posted by Beachboy:
Originally posted by CLASSVT:
Yeah I would no sooner buy a car from China as I would from Korea. Don't get sucked into the bullsh!t.
So what's your problem with Korean cars? The Koreans are making some really great cars, and their quality is heads and tails above anything Ford or GM is making!! My next car will definitely be Asian. The American auto industry is almost dead, and when the Chinese decide to import their cars here, they will surely finish Ford and GM off. I've already heard rumors that Toyota plans to take over Ford and Honda plans to take over GM.
That is the most retarded thing I've ever read. I am sorry for you and your loved ones for having to live with your ignorance and stupidity.
Honda wouldn't even have enough money to buy a bankrupt GM let alone the fact that GM isn't bankrupt. I'm not even going to touch the 'Toyota plans to take over Ford' comment as it's just absurd.
You're probably one of those guys that believes the post in my signature and you'd be just as wrong and misinformed as the original poster of that comment.
As an effort to think about the possibility of either company going bankrupt and sold, there is no doubt that the US government would step in and stop any sale to a foreign company. The US economy is tied too closely to the auto industry (specifically the big 2.5) that a take over would never be allowed.
And don't even start spouting off about DaimlerChrysler as that was a merger and not a takeover.
Did you ever read the article about the crash test of one of China's main auto manufacturer's cars? They've got a LONG way to go, especially with the way society looks at safety nowadays. It took the Koreans something like 15 years just to start to become a player in the auto game.
lol thats why your congress cleared the way to sell your ports and has now cleared the way for foreign companies to buy your airlines!
I know this is just semantics, but why are you saying "your congress"? I'm Canadian (it's in my location right below my name)
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I have that consumer report issue. Hyundai did rank high in reliability/quality. Good for them. I still would not ever consider buying a Korean car. It would take a cold day in hell for me to buy even a Japanese car. I would just rather buy an american brand. I would maybe consider a European brand because they make some bad-a$$ cars. Most, if not all, of them ranked in the bottome quarter in quality. Last place among all auto-makers in quality...Mercedes Benz.
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First, desite the attempts of Consumer Reports to manipulate the data to make it impossible to understand and to exaggerate the reliability differences between cars, the differences are really very small. We are talking the potential of one more problem over the long-term lifespan of the vehicle. They made a new 2006 reliability reporting method that makes it impossible to understand how the summary score is derived.
If you are buying Toyota and paying a premium price based on the perceptions of reliability... you've just been suckered. You've just paid thousands more for a mediocre car that has led you to believe in a far higher degree of relative reliability than truly exists.
I truly wonder how they are getting Mazda6 hatchback scores. Their surveys do not separate the body style.
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Consumer Reports sucks. I was reading an issue of it, appearently the Ford Ranger and the Mazda B-Series trucks have different reliability/performance. As far as I was aware... B-series and Ranger are pretty much identical. In fact we used a Ford part to fix a Mazda B-Series truck. The B-Series and Ranger should have either had equal ratings, or "Ranger/B-series" But nope, Appearently not. Which is why I do not listen to Consumer Reports.
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Originally posted by Pete D:
I never said Hyundai wasn't good, improving or otherwise, I said they weren't as good (or better than)as Toyota, which they are not.
At the rate they're going right now, they'll be eclipsing Lexus in a couple years in terms of build quality and reliability.
I drove a new Camry last week, I liked the Sonata better and it cost almost $4K less than anything in it's class, not only that, but it has stability control, traction control and the interior was at least as good as the other cars. I'm guessing the next incarnation of the Sonata will trump everything in it's class.
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And you guys here at CEG thought Buick was on its way out?
At least the people in China have some class!
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