I got the falkens Zeix 512 215/45/17 and thought I was happy with them till I started driving my car everyday. I have not been impressed with them in the rain. I was running a higher pressure (40 psi) and had to drop them to 32 so I wouldn't slide off the road. Even at the lower pressure it will still slide if just pushed a little bit in the wet. I also can spin the tires very easily on wet pavement from a stop. Dry is overall good but at the lower pressure they squeal on occasion. I don't remember these problems with my 225/50/16 Dunlop 5000s yes it is wider and different diameter but still. The falkens have not seen snow but if they are this bad in the wet I can't imagine snow. I know some older people with the Falkens that love them, in laws have them on their all wheel drive CRV with no problems and a friend of theirs has them on a Camry. Neither had problems in the winter. Could be a different story on our cars. The 5000s are now on the wifes mystique and I drove them through the winter. They were just OK in the snow. Now that they are getting worn out they are becoming bad in the wet also. I hate shopping for tires.