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maybe you didnt realised but lots of japs car or built in US and canada, especialy toyota and honda who keep opening new plant in the U.S and give job to american worker

So i if follow you logic mexican worker should all buy VW to support there country cause they are built there (and not in germany)

n for most of new GM model, they are eiter built in korea (aveo, optra, epica) or devolp in germany (under opel: ecotec!)

I have a american car even you im canadian and that the U.S gouvernement make loose job to many people here working in the wood industry cause of overtaxing.

A car is just a car dont mixup everything !! smile and be happy


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I had not heard that before, give me some reference material to back that up. But the question is did they continue to supprt the Germans after we declared war on them. Prewar commerce was what it was. If Ford and GM supplied material to Germany before they were the enemy that was normal business that our government aloud to happen. Japan was one of the largest buyers of our scrap metal, a lot of our guys were killed by ammunition that at one time was a Hudson, Cadilac, Ford what ever. I'm sure you can find a lot of companies that did that also. Unless I'm really off the mark I do not believe any American company sold to our enemies after the war started.




Here's a great article on Ford's involvement with Nazi Germany: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000124/silverstein It's long but I urge you to read all of it.

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An observation I have made after working two years at a primarialy Jewish Country Club and also at two different times working for companies owned by Jewish families and also making a trip to Israel, they must not be overly conserned by Germany or the holicaust for that matter. Why do I say that, because there were a lot of BMW's and MB's in the parking lot of country club, The owner of GOJO drives a BMW, the owner and most of his family of Fresh Mark inc. drives MB's and the car of choise for taxie's in Israel was an MB. So if they are not conserned by anti-semitizim why should it bother me. As a side not to your way of thinking no African-American should drive a German car because Germany was also a hot bed of racism tword blacks but that does not hold water either as the VP of Stark State College just bought a top of the line MB and he's you guest it African-American.




Um... exactly whose point are you trying to make here? Because that's my point -- if all these people who were directly affected by the war/enemy can get over it, why can't you?


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Originally posted by Plain ol' Swazo:
I've looked at American cars and have come away disapointed. I've looked at new Mustang GT's, Magnum RT's, '03-'04 Terminator's, late 2nd Gen Lightnings and more. The fact that I did like many things about them didn't out weigh the fact that I hated many other things about them. Most lack refinement of fit and finish, drivetrain and quality of material used. I refuse to purchase or not purchase a car based on what nation the parent corperation resides in. The big 3 need to get their heads out of their a$$es and attempt to build quality vechicles at a reasonable price.





thats exactly why US car makers like GM and Ford are going down the toilet





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I had not heard that before, give me some reference material to back that up. But the question is did they continue to supprt the Germans after we declared war on them. Prewar commerce was what it was. If Ford and GM supplied material to Germany before they were the enemy that was normal business that our government aloud to happen. Japan was one of the largest buyers of our scrap metal, a lot of our guys were killed by ammunition that at one time was a Hudson, Cadilac, Ford what ever. I'm sure you can find a lot of companies that did that also. Unless I'm really off the mark I do not believe any American company sold to our enemies after the war started.




Here's a great article on Ford's involvement with Nazi Germany: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000124/silverstein It's long but I urge you to read all of it.

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An observation I have made after working two years at a primarialy Jewish Country Club and also at two different times working for companies owned by Jewish families and also making a trip to Israel, they must not be overly conserned by Germany or the holicaust for that matter. Why do I say that, because there were a lot of BMW's and MB's in the parking lot of country club, The owner of GOJO drives a BMW, the owner and most of his family of Fresh Mark inc. drives MB's and the car of choise for taxie's in Israel was an MB. So if they are not conserned by anti-semitizim why should it bother me. As a side not to your way of thinking no African-American should drive a German car because Germany was also a hot bed of racism tword blacks but that does not hold water either as the VP of Stark State College just bought a top of the line MB and he's you guest it African-American.




Um... exactly whose point are you trying to make here? Because that's my point -- if all these people who were directly affected by the war/enemy can get over it, why can't you?




The point is the dualism of American thinking. We have people that on one had will complain all day about racism and the holicaust but drive a car that is a direct product of a country that promoted and responcible for booth. I was trying to point out that when it comes to driving a status symbol ethics and ethnic pride goes out the window.


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Here's a great article on Ford's involvement with Nazi Germany: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000124/silverstein It's long but I urge you to read all of it.



Damn! I am of the idea to "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear," but that's still moderatly interesting. Still gonna keep that Mystique though...


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Originally posted by BP:
lol. you're all over the place with your next car. suvs, coupes, pocket rockets, sedans, awd, rwd... any practical requirements to consider? interior space, versatility, gas mileage, insurance, maintenance, cost of ownership, future mod potential...? once you have an idea of what you need in addition to what you want you should be able to find a very good match in the $25k range.


and smh at the thought that one should only consider american made cars because of the WWs and japanese this and german that. i'm all for supporting domestic (where practical), but not for those reasons.




I'm somewhat open minded on what I'll be gettin into next.

If I were going to get an SUV, I'd want something somewhat refined all around. I'd still want some power, but without having a gas hog. I really wanted a CRD Liberty, but they are simply cheap on the interior.... even with the Limited's leather, etc. I've looked at X5's, Aviators and Limited Exploders. Not too happy with any of them.

"Fun" cars like a Terminator or a Lightning aren't practicle for me, but they are in my price range. Insurance, MPG and lack of functionality booted them off my list.

A refined sporty/luxo car would be also something I would want. G35 coupe or sedan, Jag S-type R (too high of milage to be in my price range).... ???? I've already booted the S60R, Jag X-type and others from my list.

I will be looking at the EVO, STI and MS6 this week. Turbo w/ AWD would be nice in a near bullet proof platform.

Bottom line, I want something with a warranty and that is very well packaged FROM the factory so I won't be so tempted to mod the car beyond wheels, intake and exhaust.... if that. I really want something I don't have to mod even, just keep it running and looking good.

Yes I have a broad range of prospective vehicles, though the list continues to shorten. Any more help and ideas would be awesome


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skip the MS6 - honestly - not what your looking for IMHO


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Really? That's a let down! I do love them on GT4


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I would agree that for someone looking at Jags, Volvos, and Infinitis that the MS6 isn't what you're looking for. But if you're willing to consider the STi and the EVO as well, then the MS6 could be exactly what you're looking for since it aims to straddle the line between those two groups.

And with deals to be had for as much as $4,500 off MSRP they're a hell of a lot cheaper than an STi or an EVO.

But as long as you're at the Subbie dealer you might as well check out a Legacy GT too.


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OMG that Pro-1 Exhaust sounds friggin badass .

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can you get a newer S4 in that price range?
what about bmw? perhaps you can find a nice 330i for that kind of money. definitely one of the nicer cars ive drive. feels very solid and well made. nice power too. if youre into verts you can pick up a nice 325 vert for that price range.
also, a nice 540i should fall into that price range as well.

i test drove the jag 3L Xtype as well and was also not terribly impressed with it. doesnt feel even close to the quickness of a 3L csvt.


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