AS A DEALER IN PASADENA, I CAN TELL YOU NOT TO EXPECT ANYWHERE NEAR RETAIL. I AM SELLING AN AWESOME 2000 WITH ONLY 18000 MILES FOR 13995 AND IT IS STILL FORSALE AND I AM A DEALER WITH MORE CUSTOMERS THAN YOU ARE LIKELY TO HAVE. YOU CAN EXPECT A DEALER TO GIVE YOU SOMEWHERE AROUND 10K TO 11K FOR IT ON TRADE AND THEN HE WILL SELL IT FOR AROUND 16K. BUT YOUR NOT A DEALER, SO YOU MUST EXPECT LESS THAN HE GETS. OTHERWISE, WHY BUY FROM YOU? I SURE WILL BE GLAD TO GET MY SVT BACK FROM MY SON AT BAYLOR UNIVERSITY THIS WEEKEND. I AM SO READY TO DRIVE IT AGAIN. A CAR IS MUCH EASIER TO SELL IF IT IS AVILABLE FOR DEMONSTRATION. wink