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Everyone seems to be making recommendations on where he should or shouldn't play....we don't even know how old he is. Is he in fact entering high school or is he still in Middle School?
It could be that he is still young and may have a big growth spurt coming.

Maybe it's just me but seems like pretty important information that we need to know before we start giving opinions.


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Originally posted by kipsvt98:
Is he in fact entering high school or is he still in Middle School?





Originally posted by Renee:
He's going to play football in high school next year.



He's obviously not 17/18 already because the schoolyear is almost over. I'd say he's gotta be between 14-16.
Growth spurt or not, he's trying to prepare now for tryouts, which I'm pretty sure happen in the summer before the schoolyear starts.
I'm not sure how much the age factor really matters in such a few months. Could be wrong.



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i highly doubt a growth spirt will hit this late that will gain him 4-6 inches and 30-50 pounds, but i certainly could be wrong. i'd say start a high protein diet with lots of muscle and cardio work outs pronto! might also look into some supplements (creatine, protein shakes/mixes, etc...) to add some meat to him if he really has his heart set on playing guard.

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Originally posted by kipsvt98:
Everyone seems to be making recommendations on where he should or shouldn't play....we don't even know how old he is. Is he in fact entering high school or is he still in Middle School?
It could be that he is still young and may have a big growth spurt coming.

Maybe it's just me but seems like pretty important information that we need to know before we start giving opinions.


certain body types fit certain positions in any sport including football. being short and relatively light is not typically a good mix for any line position. So, its rightfully so, people with experience in the sport match the body type to positions. However, being a 'little guy' myself, I always heard those same things, that I wouldn't be a good lineman, etc etc. Like I said, the kid is starting disadvantaged to begin with, however, depending on the size of the kids in his conference, and his mental ability, he still can be successful. I started my Jr & Sr year as LG and NG at 5'7" 175lbs, was all conference, and 3/4th in tackles. Football truly is a huge mental sport. I don't know how many big guys I put on their asses just because I was mentally tougher and wanted it more than they did.


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Originally posted by Princess Tong Po:
i highly doubt a growth spirt will hit this late that will gain him 4-6 inches and 30-50 pounds, but i certainly could be wrong. i'd say start a high protein diet with lots of muscle and cardio work outs pronto! might also look into some supplements (creatine, protein shakes/mixes, etc...) to add some meat to him if he really has his heart set on playing guard.

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I slightly disagree on this one. I was about 5'10", 240lbs in High School and didn't really have my "growth spurt" until my senior year/freshman year of college. I'm now 6'3" and 215 (lost a little weight). But I agree on the diet part, he needs to have a high protein diet and cut out as many bad sugars as possible (as was said above). If he drinks a lot of pop, tell him to quit altogether or at least cut back a lot, that made the biggest difference when I was trying to lose weight/build muscle.

At that size though, I would think he would be better as a linebacker or DB if he is quick. Or if he has his heart set on offense, possible a TE or fullback.


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The 3 building block supplements that are needed to gain lean muscles are:


1)Protein (and I don't mean any protein jug off the self). It is a general rule to consume 1.5-2grams of protein per pound of body weight. Diet is one of the hardest things when it comes to gaining muscle/body building etc. It is extremely hard to consume this much on food alone as a typical chicken breat only has 25ish g of protein. You need to supplement your diet w/ shakes or protein bars. What your looking for is "protein Isolate". This type of pretein has upwards of 80-90% of pure usable and absorbable protein. When you get into the "Whey's", your percentage of pure usable protein drops dramatically.

2)Glutamine - Glutamine is an esssential amino acid that helps muscle recovery. Take it a few times a day and especially before bed time. This cuts down on the level of soreness that you will experience the next morning after working out b/c it aids to heal your torn muscles while you sleep. When you work out you tear the muscle...the idea is that you want to eat enough, and comsume enough protein and essential vitamins and minerals that your body rebuils the muscle bigger, thus creating a bigger stronger muscle.

3) creatine - This all depends at what age you want to start taking it. It is an all natural nutrient that forces water into your muscles. The premice behind this is that this water contains the nutrients your muscles need to recover and grow. Red meat is a decent source of creatine however it is not nearly enough.

Lastly, eat 5-7 SMALL meals a day. This will increase your metabolism which will aid in gaining lean muscle weight. Make sure each meal has close to 30g of protein. Your body cannot absorb huge amounts at one time. In other words drinking 4 shakes/150g at one sitting will not do you any good. Once you start going over 30g per sitting your body stops absorbing and you will simply just piss it out.

A combination of a smart healthy diet, these supplements, a very good multi-vitamin and BCA (branch chain amino acid )supplement, working out, atleast 8 hrs of sleep a night will yield you the best results.

one thing to remember is gaining muscle is dependent on these 3 things that I have listed in order of importance.

1)genes
2)diet
3)working out/sleep

hope this helps


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Freshmen are supposed to be small. On my Frosh-Soph team, both our starting offensive tackles weighed less than 200 lbs. and our guards were like 165 and 175. Didn't the University of Wyoming - yes, college football - have a starting offensive guard or tackle who was only 180 lbs back in the 70s? When I played offensive center as a HS soph at 205-215 lbs, the guys who gave me fits on the defensive line were the small quick guys. Does anyone here recall Alan Page playing defensive tackle as an NFL professional - yes, pro football - late in his career at 6'4" 235 lbs? Don't get so hung up on bulk.

If he's not played serious 11 man tackle football before, what's really gonna be the hardship is whether he needs CONDITIONING. Between drills, drills, and more drills; windsprints until players drop or throw up; and two-a-day practices in late summer heat, I'd tell him to do upper and lower body workouts and weightlifting; two mile runs against the clock (sixteen minutes is OK for for a lineman first time out); and BUNCHES of stair climbers, running uphill, and sets of hard 150 yd sprints followed by sets of 100 yd sprints followed by sets of 50 yd sprints. Yes, even as an offensive lineman. If he has no endurance and is constantly dying in practice, he will ride the bench or be cut or quit on his own.


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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Freshmen are supposed to be small. On my Frosh-Soph team, both our starting offensive tackles weighed less than 200 lbs. and our guards were like 165 and 175. Didn't the University of Wyoming - yes, college football - have a starting offensive guard or tackle who was only 180 lbs back in the 70s? When I played offensive center as a HS soph at 205-215 lbs, the guys who gave me fits on the defensive line were the small quick guys. Does anyone here recall Alan Page playing defensive tackle as an NFL professional - yes, pro football - late in his career at 6'4" 235 lbs? Don't get so hung up on bulk.


You can't compare lineman from <80s to the current linemen, its a completely different breed.


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Originally posted by We Todd:
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Freshmen are supposed to be small. On my Frosh-Soph team, both our starting offensive tackles weighed less than 200 lbs. and our guards were like 165 and 175. Didn't the University of Wyoming - yes, college football - have a starting offensive guard or tackle who was only 180 lbs back in the 70s? When I played offensive center as a HS soph at 205-215 lbs, the guys who gave me fits on the defensive line were the small quick guys. Does anyone here recall Alan Page playing defensive tackle as an NFL professional - yes, pro football - late in his career at 6'4" 235 lbs? Don't get so hung up on bulk.


You can't compare lineman from <80s to the current linemen, its a completely different breed.




Exactly. Today's era it's all about having all three; size,strength and quickness. Athletes keep getting bigger and stronger and surprisingly whith the added size they are getting faster.


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