I accept your response as it does make sense and I appreciate you explaining it that way to me. Although the "or" thing still trips me up. It doesn't say that the or is exclusive!(Last ditch effort at symantics) Also, I almost equate my scenario to speeding. Yes, 5mph over the speed limit is illegal, but cops let it go. 30mph over the speed limit is equally illegal, but cops probably won't let that go. 3 minutes in a no parking spot with the driver in the car vs 30 minutes in a no parking spot with no one there. I realize it doesn't absolve the offender of breaking the law but I think most people would be upset for getting a +5mph ticket...I guess this has turned in to more of a rant than a search for the law, sorry...man I thought I had won it in that nydmv thread