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Originally posted by ODC:
Yes because screaming "Dirty Liberals, [censored] Yeah Christian America for All Americans" is a coherent and valid argument.
Sorry, last I checked you were CANADIAN so even if I did think that (which I don't) what does it matter to you what happens to America?
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Originally posted by JaTo:
None of this changes the fact that a large amount of material is missing to this very day.
Yeah, but you can't really say what happened to something that dissapeared over the years because the fact is we really dont know. We can make some speculations about it, but I think most of us prefer some proof.
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On the notion that we should respond seriously to this letter from the Iranian Prez... That letter is a sandwich sign worn by that prez, which states in flashing neon letters: "I am a silly amateur (on the world stage)."
I don't see much reason to elevate his standing by giving him a public response. And privately? Is "nuanced" our present admin's specialty?
Meanwhile, he is grandstanding and saying to us what his bosses and political constituents want to hear. Any response we'd give him would not be taken seriously by them.
And about someone grandstanding to gather up the support of his constituents: Thank goodness THAT never happens in politics outside of Iran.
On a different tangent: Who here agrees with the Iranian prez, that liberalism has failed? It might be a bitter pill for some here that by Iran's official standards, Karl Rove is a liberal. Yes, Mr. Corbett, by their standards, so are you and liberals won WWII. (OK, I did not have to suggest that last point.) BTW, Tim, congrats on your engagement. May your journey together be long and rewarding.
And as last tangents: What should our civilization/culture do now to ensure that in 20 (or 5 or 50) years, control of the Strait of Hormuz does not control us? And where is a moderate, educated middle eastern middle class gonna come from?
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Israel has no right to exist
Other than the US (and the UK for that matter) taking the land, what right does Isreal really have to that land?
"Bros before Hoes" <-- More men need this mentality.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
You're right, though; genocide, mass starvation, political/religious oppression through murder, financial ties and/or state sponsors of terrorism, nuclear proliferation, radical/oppressive leadership, MASSIVE corruption, human rights nightmares...
Take out the nukes and those words could describe a number of African countries, yet nobody seems to care about those the way they do about the ME, why is that?
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Originally posted by Pete D:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Israel has no right to exist
Other than the US (and the UK for that matter) taking the land, what right does Isreal really have to that land?
In Isarael's view, it dates back to Old Testament literature where God promised the land to them. So I guess you could start there.
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So one groups' little book gets the say-all in who gets to live where? I don't agree with that in the least. It isn't fair, and everyone knows it, yet continues to support the erroneous decision made decades ago. What they did to form Israel would never EVER fly in the political arena today. 
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UPDATE : Iran's President came out yesterday calling Israel a "Regime based on Evil". Yes, lets be diplomatic about this. The guys speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by Pete D:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Israel has no right to exist
Other than the US (and the UK for that matter) taking the land, what right does Isreal really have to that land?
In Isarael's view, it dates back to Old Testament literature where God promised the land to them. So I guess you could start there.
However, they didn't have it. Now they do. And religion should never (but always does) have any effect on politics. A new country should not have been created (read stolen) from the land of an already existing one because the US or UN or whatever wanted a presence in the Middle East. Total abuse of power in my opinion.
By the way, I am not saying I am anti Jewish in any way, but come on. ARRRGH!!!
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Originally posted by Hydramatic:
So one groups' little book gets the say-all in who gets to live where? I don't agree with that in the least. It isn't fair, and everyone knows it, yet continues to support the erroneous decision made decades ago. What they did to form Israel would never EVER fly in the political arena today.
You should probably stay away from absolutes like saying "everyone knows it". Many do not agree with what you have said at all! Many know that Israel occupied that land hundreds of years ago and it has been slowly taken away from them. The point of wether it would happen today or not is moot because it IS their land now. They've even taken steps to appease the Palestinians by giving up some of THEIR land. Though I dont agree with that decision.
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