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Got the motor dropped in on Saturday/Sunday
Frame is up, wheels are on.
Got the wiring harness re-wired in order for 3.0 injectors to plug in.. all the stuff.
Everythings bolted up, ect...
Fired her up tonight w/o the exhaust on, just down to the cats, it sounded it nice, real responsive!
I'll get a vid. of it running, and some pictures of it dropped in!
Thank you all once again!
-Jared
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I've got a few questions for you guys.
1) Are the orders the same on the 2.5 and the 3.0 when the injectors open up?
2) The air plenum, the last picture on the first page, the 2.5 versus the 3.0 real cleaned up, well the 2.5 is ran on vaccum, and the 3.0 is ran by a cable, when does this open up, what does it effect ect?
Thanks!
Oh and we found a way to run the water pump, we took the 2.5 timing cover off and put it on the 3.0 in order to make the waterpump fit, then we put the old waterpump pully mount off the 2.5 put it on the 3.0 and we're going to wire the fan motor off of the 3.0 cooling fans and run it w/ one of those motors which are 2 speed and you can run counterclockwise/clockwise. has this been done before?
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As far as the injector question if you use the 2.5L wire harness and the 2.5L ECU it should be able to run the engine but you will probably need a tune. You could have picked up some 19lb injectors from an early SVT they would have hooked right up and they go for about $60 used. Then you don't have to splice into every injector wire and worry about shorts later on.
The secondaries or as you refer to it "air plenum" open up at about 3500rpms and give the 2.5L low end torque when shut and the extra air for the top end hp when open. It's cable driven on the later contours so I'm not sure what you will have to do with that. You can gut them but there will be some drivability issues. You could compensate for them if you get a tune.
It doesn't sound like you swapped oil pans. I thought there was an issue with the Sable/Taurus pans which is why everyone swapped on the 2.5L pan and pickup. Wasn't it that it didn't have holes for the transmission bolts down low? You might want to check into that.
Why not just buy the 01+ 3L though? Then the water pump works like these stock one and you don't have to pay $300 for the electric one if that is what you are doing. As far as the water pump mount what do you mean? It bolts right to the head on the 2.5L there is no mount.
Also the 3L timing cover has that huge buldge in it. If that is the cover you are using then I'm surprised it fit in the car.
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Thank you for the quick responce.
We'll start off one at a time.
As far as injectors, we're seeing if it'll run w/ the 2.5 computer, if not we'll plug in the 3.0 computer out of the sable.
The only problem that my dad thought we'd run into (the one whos doing most of this work, has been a mechanic for over 35 years, specializes in performance transmission builds) would be the injectors opening at the right time ect.
He spliced all the wires, and hooked all the injectors in, and I trust his work, we had it fired up last night and it sounded good.
As for the secondaries, I could always take the vaccume off the 2.5 and put it on the 3.0. I was just wondering if I could run it wide open, ect. I figured they opend up throughout the powerband to get more air/fuel flow to get more power.
We got the 2.5 timing cover on the 3.0 block, we've got the waterpump on, and the waterpump pully off of the 2.5. We plan on running the waterpump off of the one of the cooling fans off of the sables radatior. We're eaither hooking it up to the ignition, or to the coolent temp. Its a 2stage fan, that runs clockwise, and counterclockwise.
And no, we didn't swap oil pans, I researched it on here, and I herd a lot about swapping them, but it really didn't give a reason on why to swap them? But the 3.0 bolted right up fine.
The moutn I was referring to was the pully for the serpatine belt that ran the from the cam to the waterpump!
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Originally posted by Blackcoog:
I thought there was an issue with the Sable/Taurus pans which is why everyone swapped on the 2.5L pan and pickup. Wasn't it that it didn't have holes for the transmission bolts down low? You might want to check into that.
Can still run it. Just need to modify it a little. Might just be drilling a hole. Can't recall.
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Originally posted by Jared:
As far as injectors, we're seeing if it'll run w/ the 2.5 computer, if not we'll plug in the 3.0 computer out of the sable.
The only problem that my dad thought we'd run into (the one whos doing most of this work, has been a mechanic for over 35 years, specializes in performance transmission builds) would be the injectors opening at the right time ect.
He spliced all the wires, and hooked all the injectors in, and I trust his work, we had it fired up last night and it sounded good.
Injector timing will be controlled by the 2.5 ECU & will work best. ECU from the Sable probably won't work at all. It's for a totally different car. Your instuments will go all whacky & you might short something out. Use the 2.5 ECU & get a tune. In addition to that, the Sable probably has PATS or something similar (fat key). Your '95 will not even turn over if the Sable ECU is equipped with PATS (Passive Anti-Theft System ?? I think).
Originally posted by Jared:
As for the secondaries, I could always take the vaccume off the 2.5 and put it on the 3.0. I was just wondering if I could run it wide open, ect. I figured they opend up throughout the powerband to get more air/fuel flow to get more power.
You can use the plenum from the 2.5 to get things working right. You could possibly remove the secondary butterflies, but you'll miss out on some low end torque & fuel economy. Plus the kick when the secondaries open on the 3L will be a hoot. You don't want to give that up! Should run fine without secondaries though - if you wanna do that...
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Thanks for the reply.
AS for a "tune", what are you talking about?
Do they make the 2.5 computer reconize the bigger injectors, and more CI?
Could you go a little more indepth?
Thanks
-jared
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he means run the 2.5 ecu with a custom burned chip or something like the superchips xcal program
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