Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by Shaggy:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:

1) 100% of those in the U.S. illegally are criminals.



Criminals simply based on being here with no green cards...yea, big crime.

and the last I heard...

Aren't the people who were here first native americans...doesn't that make the rest of us people who entered someone elses territory?

To Native Americans, we are ALL immigrants.


I don't understand if my family came to the US *legally*, why can't others? My father's family was poor as hell. Lived in the ghetto, drove taxis and worked hard to get up and out. My mom's family had a little money, but my grandmother was a seamstress, working hard and making money. If they can do it, why can't others?!?



Because if your family would have tried to come in now they wouldn't be allowed in. They obviously didn't possess the skills or earning power that the government now requires immigrants to possess.

To even come in here you have to prove that you can get a job that earns you 20% over the poverty line -- a level that a significant number of Americans can't even do.

Then to stay here legally for a long period of time you're going to need above $8,000 in lawyer fees and about 2-3 years of your time. Time that you can't be doing the migrant worker thing because you're gonna be at the beck and call of the INS whom you'll have to go see every few months. So your job prospects are even more limited. At some point, or several points, in the process you're going ot be here illegally anyways because the red tape is so thick that your temporary papers expire long before they can be renewed again.

And if you want to become a citizen, it'll be another few grand and a few more years.

And the spirit of those laws is good -- that we don't allow destitute people into our nation. But there's a point where you get so restrictive, you're not allowing the very people into your country that really want to be there.

In today's world your family wouldn't have been allowed in because they didn't meet our "standards". They weren't "good enough". But you know what? I bet they would have came in anyways. I know for a fact that my family would have.


The best part of this Sigma, is that my grandparents (the living ones ) are worth well over a one million dollars. My grandfather owned his own cab and medallion, in less than a year. [Medallion is basically a NYC taxi license]. When he sold his medallion, he sold it for more than most people's homes ($350k). So for a poor immigrant, within a year his family was out of the ghetto and buying their own home in Queens (3 family). The whole family became citizens a few years later, without much trouble.

All I'm saying is they did it the correct way. One of the guys I work with just became a citizen. No real problems, hired a lawyer, paid the fees, attended whatever classes were required and took his test(s). No fuss, no muss. Took years though, but his family survived just fine.

Chris NJ 98.5 SVT Silver Frost