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Originally posted by Pienstars:

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Originally posted by sigma:

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Originally posted by Shaggy:

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Originally posted by posthuman63t:

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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:

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Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:

1) 100% of those in the U.S. illegally are criminals.

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Criminals simply based on being here with no green cards...yea, big crime.

and the last I heard...

Aren't the people who were here first native americans...doesn't that make the rest of us people who entered someone elses territory?

To Native Americans, we are ALL immigrants.

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I don't understand if my family came to the US *legally*, why can't others? My father's family was poor as hell. Lived in the ghetto, drove taxis and worked hard to get up and out. My mom's family had a little money, but my grandmother was a seamstress, working hard and making money. If they can do it, why can't others?!?

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Because if your family would have tried to come in now they wouldn't be allowed in. They obviously didn't possess the skills or earning power that the government now requires immigrants to possess.

To even come in here you have to prove that you can get a job that earns you 20% over the poverty line -- a level that a significant number of Americans can't even do.

Then to stay here legally for a long period of time you're going to need above $8,000 in lawyer fees and about 2-3 years of your time. Time that you can't be doing the migrant worker thing because you're gonna be at the beck and call of the INS whom you'll have to go see every few months. So your job prospects are even more limited. At some point, or several points, in the process you're going ot be here illegally anyways because the red tape is so thick that your temporary papers expire long before they can be renewed again.

And if you want to become a citizen, it'll be another few grand and a few more years.

And the spirit of those laws is good -- that we don't allow destitute people into our nation. But there's a point where you get so restrictive, you're not allowing the very people into your country that really want to be there.

In today's world your family wouldn't have been allowed in because they didn't meet our "standards". They weren't "good enough". But you know what? I bet they would have came in anyways. I know for a fact that my family would have.

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Well said

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How about this?

I came in the US in 1992 holding full scholarship for Ph.D. from one top 10 US University. I got my Ph.D. degree in chemical engineering in late 1998.

So what is my current status? H-1B visa. I paid tax from 1992 because all my income (including scholarship) are documented. I paid gladly, even at a higher rate than citizens (1040NR). I followed all the proper and correct channels: 1. get a job 2. get the employer sponsored working visa (H1B) 3. file petition for immigration (labor certification) 4. wait 5. wait 6. wait 7. wait 8. and more wait.

Why it took that long? Simple. Before Clinton left office, he opened the gate for all illegal immigrants to file for Labor Certification so they could get a green card like the other legal immigrants do. While collecting a lot of fees, there were no additional man power to put in to process those extra work. So that's the infamous 4/30/2001 date that almost all the backlog applications have on their forms. Then, 911 certainly did not help. So after 4 years, I got my labor certification, which normally needs 3 months before these 2 incidents. But it did not help because my comapny was bought by some other company. So everything restarts.

So what my point is? I have been here legally over 14 years. I have high education degree. I possess skills highly sought for. I paid full tax all the years. I spent tens of thousands in all fees and lawyer cost during the application process. But I don't even have a green card. Can I complain? You bet. But can I blame anybody? No, this is what the current system is and I am not the only one suffers. So how do those people come here illegally claim outright citizenship? Don't forget, even if I had green card in my hand now I need another 6 years of staying in the US to become a citizen. So whoever wants an amnesty to those illegal immigrants is a huge slapping on my face and it's personal. And think about what Bush said for those to get legal status: 1. pay $1000 fine 2. pay back tax 3. learn English. What? Are you kidding me? We people who come here legally did 10 times or hundred times more than these and we are still waiting. Those who can easily become citizen for these 3 conditions (and there is a good portion who cannot even do these)? Now that's double slapping on my face!

I have a pair of kids. They are 2 and 6. I don't want any more because I only have limited resource. I have to plan ahead for their education. Right now I pay a lot in health insurance so in case if they are sick they are covered. But I have noticed that a lot illegal immigrants have a lot children. Even if the parents are illegal immigrants, the children born in a hospital becomes US citizen. If the parents cannot afford feeding the kids, Uncle Sam will do something like food stamps etc. When the kids get older, they go to the public schools. It's already a known fact that the public schools do not get sufficient funding. The funding is based on the population demography. I doubt the budget officials have taken it into account that there are more school age children than documented. So the public school system getting worse and worse. Parents like myself who care about kids education, have to tighten our belts so the kids can go to private schools for better education and better mannered classmates. I am not saying kids go to public schools are not behaving. But a good portion of illegal immigrants are so busy to make money (due to the fact that the wages might not be good, and a lot of them sending money back to their home town) they do not have time for their kids' behavior and academic achievement, even if some of them do care. So public schools are filled with kids with less desirable attitudes. It is not the kids fault, it's the family they come from. So it turns out that a lot of similar families like ours have decided not to have many children while most illegal immigrants have 3 - 5 children or even more. My family's goal is to give the society well behaving, well educated kids when they grow up, within the range we can afford. So we stop at 2. There is a good chance that our kids can be smart and can contribute greatly to this country when they grow up (my wife also has her Ph.D. degree from a top 10 US university). We just cannot afford to have more. So think about this: in 20 - 30 years, what kind of country the US will turn to be? I hope we can still claim one with highest education, intelligent and productive. However my intuition tells me otherwise. And statistics already predicted that over 65% of US population will be Latino in 30 years, which could very well be underrated.

So for one who really suffers from the legal system, I do not like the way the illegal immigrants claimed that they have the rights. If they want the rights, go home, and follow the correct and legal procedures. It is unfair for those who have already been in the systems for years and are still waiting for their very own green cards.

Originally posted by sigma:

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Originally posted by Shaggy:

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Originally posted by posthuman63t:

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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:

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Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:

1) 100% of those in the U.S. illegally are criminals.

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Criminals simply based on being here with no green cards...yea, big crime.

and the last I heard...

Aren't the people who were here first native americans...doesn't that make the rest of us people who entered someone elses territory?

To Native Americans, we are ALL immigrants.

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I don't understand if my family came to the US *legally*, why can't others? My father's family was poor as hell. Lived in the ghetto, drove taxis and worked hard to get up and out. My mom's family had a little money, but my grandmother was a seamstress, working hard and making money. If they can do it, why can't others?!?

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Because if your family would have tried to come in now they wouldn't be allowed in. They obviously didn't possess the skills or earning power that the government now requires immigrants to possess.

To even come in here you have to prove that you can get a job that earns you 20% over the poverty line -- a level that a significant number of Americans can't even do.

Then to stay here legally for a long period of time you're going to need above $8,000 in lawyer fees and about 2-3 years of your time. Time that you can't be doing the migrant worker thing because you're gonna be at the beck and call of the INS whom you'll have to go see every few months. So your job prospects are even more limited. At some point, or several points, in the process you're going ot be here illegally anyways because the red tape is so thick that your temporary papers expire long before they can be renewed again.

And if you want to become a citizen, it'll be another few grand and a few more years.

And the spirit of those laws is good -- that we don't allow destitute people into our nation. But there's a point where you get so restrictive, you're not allowing the very people into your country that really want to be there.

In today's world your family wouldn't have been allowed in because they didn't meet our "standards". They weren't "good enough". But you know what? I bet they would have came in anyways. I know for a fact that my family would have.

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The best part of this Sigma, is that my grandparents (the living ones ) are worth well over a one million dollars. My grandfather owned his own cab and medallion, in less than a year. [Medallion is basically a NYC taxi license]. When he sold his medallion, he sold it for more than most people's homes ($350k). So for a poor immigrant, within a year his family was out of the ghetto and buying their own home in Queens (3 family). The whole family became citizens a few years later, without much trouble.

All I'm saying is they did it the correct way. One of the guys I work with just became a citizen. No real problems, hired a lawyer, paid the fees, attended whatever classes were required and took his test(s). No fuss, no muss. Took years though, but his family survived just fine.

Originally posted by jtour:

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All we can do now is wait and see what happens.

The Government loves this cause it is taking alot of steam out of the war.

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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:

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Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:

1) 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals.

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You sound very educated.
And btw they do the jobs that no Americans want or will do.

100,000 Protested in San JOSE! haha

Originally posted by Speed Demons:

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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:

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Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:

1) 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals.

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You sound very educated.

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Originally posted by IRingTwyce:

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Scoff if you will, but 99black is right. Every single illegal immigrant broke the law when they ran/jumped/swam/lived in a shipping container to get here.

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Originally posted by Speed Demons:

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Originally posted by IRingTwyce:

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Scoff if you will, but 99black is right. Every single illegal immigrant broke the law when they ran/jumped/swam/lived in a shipping container to get here.

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What proof do you even have that they are criminals?
Because they wanted a better life in the U.S.?
Isnt that the story we sell people about America?

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no, einstein. they broke the friggin law... which makes them criminals.