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Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Illegal Immigrants come from everywhere...Bush just likes to pick on specific people. (If you support bush or disagree with my opinion, I retract it in advance so this doesn't turn into a presidential arguement, thank you)
Is this the same Bush that wants to give them amnisty (sp?) and not do anything to stop our borders from being revolving doors like our prison system deals with illegals?
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doesnt bush have some sort of guest worker plan in the works or something? or was he just going to annex mexico? 
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anybody see the mind of mencia on this issue, slightly off topic
to get my $.02 in
i agree that we need to tighten up the national defense and not let as many people in, only becuase they are taking all our dam jobs
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
HAHA, and your saying you enjoy paying tax's? HAHA, they are in the same boat we are. We pay tax's, THEY pay taxes, WE get SS benefits, and THEY don't. But, the tax's are still being paid.
Yeah because when you pay taxes, the only thing they go towards is SS benefits right? How about: Schools, roads, hospitals, sidewalks, public transportation; to name a few of the things they do benefit from. Well at least the ones that pay taxes...
I dont get what your trying to say, everyone who pays tax's pays for your list above. That is true whether your legal, or illegal.
if thats what your saying I agree.
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Originally posted by Shaggy:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:
1) 100% of those in the U.S. illegally are criminals.
Criminals simply based on being here with no green cards...yea, big crime.
and the last I heard...
Aren't the people who were here first native americans...doesn't that make the rest of us people who entered someone elses territory?
To Native Americans, we are ALL immigrants.
I don't understand if my family came to the US *legally*, why can't others? My father's family was poor as hell. Lived in the ghetto, drove taxis and worked hard to get up and out. My mom's family had a little money, but my grandmother was a seamstress, working hard and making money. If they can do it, why can't others?!?
Because if your family would have tried to come in now they wouldn't be allowed in. They obviously didn't possess the skills or earning power that the government now requires immigrants to possess.
To even come in here you have to prove that you can get a job that earns you 20% over the poverty line -- a level that a significant number of Americans can't even do.
Then to stay here legally for a long period of time you're going to need above $8,000 in lawyer fees and about 2-3 years of your time. Time that you can't be doing the migrant worker thing because you're gonna be at the beck and call of the INS whom you'll have to go see every few months. So your job prospects are even more limited. At some point, or several points, in the process you're going ot be here illegally anyways because the red tape is so thick that your temporary papers expire long before they can be renewed again.
And if you want to become a citizen, it'll be another few grand and a few more years.
And the spirit of those laws is good -- that we don't allow destitute people into our nation. But there's a point where you get so restrictive, you're not allowing the very people into your country that really want to be there.
In today's world your family wouldn't have been allowed in because they didn't meet our "standards". They weren't "good enough". But you know what? I bet they would have came in anyways. I know for a fact that my family would have.
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i'm not bashing or flaming or anything, but for those of you that are shooting down all the people voicing their opinions about illegal immigrants being here and you're providing counter-points to it, are you on the side of the immigrants?
do you think they should be granted citizenship without having to go through process?
i for one, don't think that they should be granted citizenship. i don't necessarily think that our country should jump the gun and just outright deport every single one of them. they are here illegally... that much is evident from what we call them. but really.. how hard is it to immigrate legally, or get a temporary visa? i don't honestly know for sure, but last i knew of (which could very well be wrong, as it's been a long time.) legal immigration was not exactly an astoundingly difficult task. i know that there is a test that involves having a fairly basic ability to read, write and speak American English, and for what i know, there is a bit of American history in it.
it would take a bit of studying, but if you REALLY wanted to come to this country (like as much as to make you border jump...) then this should come as a fairly simple task. at least in my experience, as long as you WANT to study something, it will be that much easier to comprehend.
again though, this is not flamebait, even though i've given my opinion. i acknowledge i do not know all the facts, but i am certainly comfortable with my opinion though.
and again for those of you bashing those that do not have all the facts, after presenting us with quite a few facts about these illegals, what is your opinion, i am very anxious to hear it..
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i say we stop letting in people from the middle east cuz they fly planes into buildings.
flying planes into buildings > waiting in emergency rooms for band aids (in the national security sense)
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Originally posted by GreaseyMonkey:
i'm not bashing or flaming or anything, but for those of you that are shooting down all the people voicing their opinions about illegal immigrants being here and you're providing counter-points to it, are you on the side of the immigrants?
do you think they should be granted citizenship without having to go through process?
i for one, don't think that they should be granted citizenship. i don't necessarily think that our country should jump the gun and just outright deport every single one of them. they are here illegally... that much is evident from what we call them. but really.. how hard is it to immigrate legally, or get a temporary visa? i don't honestly know for sure, but last i knew of (which could very well be wrong, as it's been a long time.) legal immigration was not exactly an astoundingly difficult task. i know that there is a test that involves having a fairly basic ability to read, write and speak American English, and for what i know, there is a bit of American history in it.
it would take a bit of studying, but if you REALLY wanted to come to this country (like as much as to make you border jump...) then this should come as a fairly simple task. at least in my experience, as long as you WANT to study something, it will be that much easier to comprehend.
again though, this is not flamebait, even though i've given my opinion. i acknowledge i do not know all the facts, but i am certainly comfortable with my opinion though.
and again for those of you bashing those that do not have all the facts, after presenting us with quite a few facts about these illegals, what is your opinion, i am very anxious to hear it..
ignore most of that, as many things about the requirements of immigration had been posted before i had finished that...
i'm still interested in the opinions though.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by Shaggy:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:
1) 100% of those in the U.S. illegally are criminals.
Criminals simply based on being here with no green cards...yea, big crime.
and the last I heard...
Aren't the people who were here first native americans...doesn't that make the rest of us people who entered someone elses territory?
To Native Americans, we are ALL immigrants.
I don't understand if my family came to the US *legally*, why can't others? My father's family was poor as hell. Lived in the ghetto, drove taxis and worked hard to get up and out. My mom's family had a little money, but my grandmother was a seamstress, working hard and making money. If they can do it, why can't others?!?
Because if your family would have tried to come in now they wouldn't be allowed in. They obviously didn't possess the skills or earning power that the government now requires immigrants to possess.
To even come in here you have to prove that you can get a job that earns you 20% over the poverty line -- a level that a significant number of Americans can't even do.
Then to stay here legally for a long period of time you're going to need above $8,000 in lawyer fees and about 2-3 years of your time. Time that you can't be doing the migrant worker thing because you're gonna be at the beck and call of the INS whom you'll have to go see every few months. So your job prospects are even more limited. At some point, or several points, in the process you're going ot be here illegally anyways because the red tape is so thick that your temporary papers expire long before they can be renewed again.
And if you want to become a citizen, it'll be another few grand and a few more years.
And the spirit of those laws is good -- that we don't allow destitute people into our nation. But there's a point where you get so restrictive, you're not allowing the very people into your country that really want to be there.
In today's world your family wouldn't have been allowed in because they didn't meet our "standards". They weren't "good enough". But you know what? I bet they would have came in anyways. I know for a fact that my family would have.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by Shaggy:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Those are nice stats and all, but you left out one big statistic:
1) 100% of those in the U.S. illegally are criminals.
Criminals simply based on being here with no green cards...yea, big crime.
and the last I heard...
Aren't the people who were here first native americans...doesn't that make the rest of us people who entered someone elses territory?
To Native Americans, we are ALL immigrants.
I don't understand if my family came to the US *legally*, why can't others? My father's family was poor as hell. Lived in the ghetto, drove taxis and worked hard to get up and out. My mom's family had a little money, but my grandmother was a seamstress, working hard and making money. If they can do it, why can't others?!?
Because if your family would have tried to come in now they wouldn't be allowed in. They obviously didn't possess the skills or earning power that the government now requires immigrants to possess.
To even come in here you have to prove that you can get a job that earns you 20% over the poverty line -- a level that a significant number of Americans can't even do.
Then to stay here legally for a long period of time you're going to need above $8,000 in lawyer fees and about 2-3 years of your time. Time that you can't be doing the migrant worker thing because you're gonna be at the beck and call of the INS whom you'll have to go see every few months. So your job prospects are even more limited. At some point, or several points, in the process you're going ot be here illegally anyways because the red tape is so thick that your temporary papers expire long before they can be renewed again.
And if you want to become a citizen, it'll be another few grand and a few more years.
And the spirit of those laws is good -- that we don't allow destitute people into our nation. But there's a point where you get so restrictive, you're not allowing the very people into your country that really want to be there.
In today's world your family wouldn't have been allowed in because they didn't meet our "standards". They weren't "good enough". But you know what? I bet they would have came in anyways. I know for a fact that my family would have.
needs more explanation why theyre not coming in the legal way. 
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