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Originally posted by TC'd Swazo:
If you're looking for something for protection, maybe a revolver like a Ruger SP101. They look sweet, VERY reliable, it's compact and EASILY concealed and it's a .357. Not expensive at all and perfect for self protection.
Good choice!
A revolver is always a better recommendation for personal defense as they are much simpler to operate. Unless you need to reload, then you're screwed. 
A lot of pistols take a lot of effort to manipulate, deal with magazines, and there is more of a chance of a jam on extraction or feed.
To the original poster:
Personally, if you want protection and you aren't familiar with guns yet, DON'T start packing one concealed.
If you do have to draw it the chances of being effective, being able to assess if you need to kill someone (because you should never draw one unless that is the probably outcome), the act of actually killing someone,and the penalties that can be assessed if you make a wrong choice are just too great!
Think what happens if you miss and hit an innocent bystander...kiss your life goodbye.
Also what if you shoot and you just miss, or the other person has a gun and you don't make a critical hit?
I always recommend getting MACE on your keychain and then a TASER or Stun Gun and packing that FIRST! If you make a mistake you are in less trouble at that point.
At the same time you should get a gun and start practicing with it for quite a while before you take to carrying it on the streets.
Remember, if you have a gun you will think it is the solution for any problem instead of thinking of other methods first. It's human nature and not helped by all the Hollywood films that show people able to intimidate others with a gun in order to control a situation. It's also depicted as being easy to pick and choose targets and kill them with precision. Well it is NOT easy as many people think that if they don't have a gun you won't shoot them and will challenge you.
Good luck.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
All I can add is this: If you are going to carry get a freakin' CCW - last thing you want is to end up in jail when it's they criminal's that should be there instead!
Lugging a pistol around by-the-letter-of-the-law without a CCW is pointless. You have to keep the gun in the trunk, locked in a case and the ammo in the glove box. What use is that other than when you are going to a range?
If you get stopped for a traffic infringement and cop catches you with a loaded gun without a CCW you are in a world of sh! t. How's 10 years sound for a gun felony? 
Depends on the state. Some states really suck, but Arizona is cool that way.
In Arizona you can carry openly without a CCW as long as you aren't a convicted felon. This would be in a holster on your hip, shoulder harness, etc. Of course you may not be welcome in may establishments with the weapon and they reserve the right to not admit you. But the open carriers are rare and not the threat anyway.
You can carry one in your car in the glove box loaded and not have a ccw.
You'd BETTER declare it if you ever get stopped as they will keep you there for a while running your info, but it is legal.
I used to carry in AZ all the time and never had a ccw.
On the other hand, you WILL be issued a ticket or arrested if you fire one in a fight and you must have your ducks in a row if you expect to get through it.
Only if you have a cut and dry case where a thief had a weapon and you shoot him dead, your story on his with no contradicting evidence will they say Okay, write it up and send you on your way. You may still have to visit the police station a few times as you are questioned.
Best place for a firearm is in the home and for home protection....and make sure when you shoot them they fall IN the house and not back out the window...and that you made a killing shot if you don't want to be sued.
Otherwise learn to avoid the areas and situation where you can be mugged if possible, and if not then follow the advice I put in the post before this one.
Just my opinions.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Hearing protection is for pansies (on an outdoor range). It's a pistol not a .50 caliber.
I disagree. It isn't a big deal with a few shots esp. in self defense, but if you fire any number of rounds with calibers/loads above a .22LR then I'd say use the hearing protection.
The most important initial training is getting used to the gun and firing lots of rounds down range until you really know the weapon.
If you go for scenario combat then training a few times without hearing protection is okay but still, you WILL loose hearing eventually and you may not have to fire your gun in self defense. So make your best judement.
I will tell you that a standard 9mm parabellum is loud if you have decent ears but you can take a bit of ot. 30 odd six 7.62mm is a powerfull cartridge and is well below the size of a .50 cal.
.223 is common and it is also very loud and will damage hearing.
.38 special is very loud and will also.
It is all about the exposure time and frequency of firing.
IF this guy does buy a gun he should be shooting it a lot so he gets good.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Hearing protection is for pansies (on an outdoor range). It's a pistol not a .50 caliber.
Not wearing hearing protection anytime you fire a firearm is stupid. Even when firing a .22, it's very important. Your ears are sensitive instruments that degrade with use, and the more high-volume sounds you hear, the sooner they wear out. I ALWAYS wear plugs AND muffs when shooting.
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I agree firing anything without hearing protestion either indoor or outdoors is stupid.
First time I ever shot my 357 Magnum without anything on it physically hurt my ears.
Sure in a life and death situation, who gives a crap - but if you're going to the range and doing that you're an idiot.
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Originally posted by muntus:
Originally posted by MaddMike2:
Look you do this once, the running, the push ups, the jumping jacks, and the harrasment from friends hopefuly that know their way around guns and ranges. Its done to simulate a high stress environment. Do what you will, its a learning and training drill that just might save your life.
So I do this once and it might save my life?
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Originally posted by MaddMike2:
Let me make this simple for the simple people out there, Normaly at the range you wear muffs and plugs, it is just for the excersize that you do not, when your life is on the line you will not have them on. You need to know what to exspect in the real world when you pull the trigger. The noise can stune you, very likly with a big gun in a little room.
By that rational, you should have someone really try to kill you while you're trying to kill them, otherwise you won't "know what to exspect(sic) in the real world when you pull the trigger."
Now you're being simplistic. It's a simulation exercise.
Originally posted by muntus:
Deep knee bends and calesthenics while you're buddies yell at you doesn't simulate the kind of stress you experience when you're life is on the line. All it does is measure your focus while distracted. There are better focus excercises that don't require running around a gun range and not using ear protection.
Not just a focus. All the running about also adds a physical element to the exercise.
Frankly, I don't know what value such an exercise would have, & don't care. I'm just questioning why you would completely discount the suggestion and offer no real reason why. You even suggested that there are better exercises for developing focus, but fail to offer any examples.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by MaddMike2:
Originally posted by SvtEdwardo420:
50.cal desert eagle, mine breathes fire, that will scare anything, i dont think this would fit for what you need , but they are really cool to have
I remember when SW could not give away the MD29 when it first came out. It was to big and to bulky and way to powerful even for the biggest shooter. Low and behold Clint Carries one in a movie and SW can not make enough. There was a reason that it did not sell in the first place. Figure it out.
So you're saying it would not be cool to have one?
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by Hrtatac1:
That's some expert shooting considering your pistol only holds seven rounds. web page
Dude...it is a .50Cal pistol...it will go through all of them with one round and come out the back of the last one.....
People suck.
Rev it till it MELTS.....
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Originally posted by Auto-X Fil:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Hearing protection is for pansies (on an outdoor range). It's a pistol not a .50 caliber.
Not wearing hearing protection anytime you fire a firearm is stupid. Even when firing a .22, it's very important. Your ears are sensitive instruments that degrade with use, and the more high-volume sounds you hear, the sooner they wear out. I ALWAYS wear plugs AND muffs when shooting.
Amen.
I already have enough problems hearing.
Even with hearing protection, I have been in an indoor range with someone several bays away firing some hand cannon and it made my ears hurt even with my "ears" on.
Made my .45 sound like a cap gun.
Then there was that H&K carbine I fired that I could hardly hear at all. I could actually hear the bolt cycle every time I fired.
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[ Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Hearing protection is for pansies (on an outdoor range). It's a pistol not a .50 caliber.
Thats ignorant, stupid, and wrong, and you will realize that you are wrong when you are like me, who will have a ringing in my right ear for the rest of my life.
My ring was from shooting a .22LR and some 9mm rounds.
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