I had the W-rated 712s, which I liked for a few factors (grip, resistance to hydroplaning, price). They are, however now quite bald, and I am looking for a replacement.

Discount and Tire Rack won't be the best for me as I am in Canada, but tiretrend.ca carries them.

I'll check on the GR-Beta. I didn't see it on the tiretrend site, and it's getting time to pull the snows, so I may have to go with the Kumhos anyway.

EDIT: OOPs didn't realise that the GRs are the 451s......

Last edited by Phil Rohtla; 04/20/06 02:02 PM.
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