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Originally posted by GTO Pete:

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No offense to SQL, but CEGers know the two of us as long-standing veterans, our detailing knowledge and results over the years, and would be the preferred "head-to-head"

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Originally posted by GTO Pete:

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Regardless, you are not leaving SZ without providing a full detail of half my hood.

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A full detail?

That would entail washing, claying, and assuming that your car is in excellent shape only having to polish once with a PC and a white LC polishing pad. Then I would have to apply Reflections Wax and Reflections Top Coat. Are you sure that you can afford all of this?

Yeah like I already told you before I will take your offer and detail 1/2 of your hood. I was offering to you that we could do it together so that you can experience the ease of use of Reflections, and maybe I will even let you buff off the wax with my ultra-cool cobra microfibers

All I am asking from you though Pete is that you respect me and appreciate what I am doing for you. I hope that you want me to detail your car for the right reasons and that you aren't using this as an opportunity to say, "Hey look SQL doesn't know what he is talking about---Reflections sucks because it doesn't last as long as Zaino." I understand that Zaino is more durable than Reflections, but I feel that there is more to judging a product than durability.

Originally posted by Pudmunkie:

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Steve, I dont think you're goign to want to be stuck detailing a car all day. I know when im going in for the kill, it takes me a good chunk of time.

I applaud pete and roger for taking the time to do it. Pete... make me want to be a zaino man :P ive been battling a buddy on this exact argument, so im interested in the results!

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Yeah, I would prefer to relax, migle and enjoy everyone's rides, but I love to detail. It will be time consuming, but it will be a good chance to get to meet and know Roger. (I hope )

I have almost conceded initial appearance. Carnauba will give a deeper look.

Here's a quick comparison of carnauba vs a syn like Zaino:

Durability:
The more a carnuaba'd car is exposed to the elements (sun, rain, etc) and everytime you wash it, it gets thinner and weaker. A syn doesn't have that issue.

Shine:
Carnaubas enhance the color, syns provide clarity to show the true color of your paint. The difference between carnauba and syn on a light colored car is almost non-existent.

Ease of use:
1. Carnauba is not easy to use - it does take practice. Syns are very easy to use.

2. Carnauba's can only be applied to paint. Syns can be applied to virtually any surface - headlights, taillights, rubber trim, glass, mirrors, wheels.

3. As carnauba wears away, you ideally should strip it all off and start over. Syns can be applied layer after layer.

4. Carnauba dusts and can get messy. Syns go on and is removed easily and is virtually dust free.

As I've said many times, "best" is different for different people. For a dark colored, garage kept non-daily driver, I would recommend a good carnauba like Pinnacle or Natty's Blue. For a light colored, 24/7 outdoor kept, hot environment daily driver, Zaino. It's up to the user to choose what best suits his needs and desires.

And it's the common (and often considered ignorant by knowledgable detailers) to claim that online products cost more. It lasts longer, you use it less so it costs equally or less.

Originally posted by SQLSVT:

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Originally posted by GTO Pete:

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Regardless, you are not leaving SZ without providing a full detail of half my hood.

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A full detail?

That would entail washing, claying, and assuming that your car is in excellent shape only having to polish once with a PC and a white LC polishing pad. Then I would have to apply Reflections Wax and Reflections Top Coat. Are you sure that you can afford all of this?

Yeah like I already told you before I will take your offer and detail 1/2 of your hood. I was offering to you that we could do it together so that you can experience the ease of use of Reflections, and maybe I will even let you buff off the wax with my ultra-cool cobra microfibers

All I am asking from you though Pete is that you respect me and appreciate what I am doing for you. I hope that you want me to detail your car for the right reasons and that you aren't using this as an opportunity to say, "Hey look SQL doesn't know what he is talking about---Reflections sucks because it doesn't last as long as Zaino." I understand that Zaino is more durable than Reflections, but I feel that there is more to judging a product than durability.

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I have no doubts that Mother's is easy to use - I've read nothing but positive things about that and it's immediate results. The fact that it's softer than a carnauba, which means it doesn't last as long is it's real weakness. If that's the case, then I'd rather use Natty's blue to finish off.

On a light colored car, nothing but a synthetic should be used. No carnauba should touch it. No reason. Almost identical appearance, so go with what clearly lasts longer. On a dark colored car, carnauba depending on environment. Using a carnauba in Arizona is pure stupidity. Dark colored, garage kept, not hot environment, non-daily driver? Hands down a nice carnauba. I could go on and on with examples.

By allowing you to even wash my car is demonstrating a lot of trust. Letting you wax it? That should tell you something.

I currently have over 200 bottles of various detailing products. What does that tell you about my desire to try different products?

Originally posted by GTO Pete:

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The fact that it's softer than a carnauba, which means it doesn't last as long is it's real weakness. If that's the case, then I'd rather use Natty's blue to finish off.

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