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I agree. You answered Matt R's question number two with the fact that we have airbags because of big bro. My answers are: . The point of the airbag is to stop your chest from hitting the steering coloum. If you slam your chest hard enough into the coloum, you can go into cardiac arrest or be crushed so much you can't breathe. The seat and shoulder belts will stop you from hitting the steering column too. Maybe not at 100 mph but for most other accidents. However... 2. Every single new car since the mid 90s something has come with airbags. If they didn't help, and hurt more than they saved, then why do all cars have them. ...big bro did a study that only about 14% of people used their belts in 1986 or something so in order to protect us from ourselves we have air bags which we have to pay for whether we want them or not. 3. The injuries recieved from airbags are much less than not having one. Think of a car hitting a tree at 60mph. There is a sh!tload of momentum coming to a halt real fast. Even the seatbelt isn't going to be able to hold you all the way back. Plus, when the dash/steering wheel ends up in your lap in under a second, I'd like to have a cusion of air between it and me. Again, this is an extreme example. The majority of accidents don't involve speeds of 60 mph (single or multicar headons) or more. If you live where I do, speeds don't get much more than 50 mph on a good day because of the traffic. And that cusion of air you desire would be supplied by properly worn belts. Look, I read that same study where Matt R's statistics came from and frankly, statistics bore me to death. And, I'm not all that moved by statistics because of how they are gathered. To me many times statistics = fuzzy math. However it was interesting to note, if we can believe the statistics, that air bags only contribute a 9% increase in protection if you are already using your belts properly. In overall injury reduction, they only contributed to a 7% increase in protection while using your belts. And using the belts is the best way to not be injured by the bags. So, in reality (to me anyway) I wear my belts not for crash protection but for protection from the air bag! And you have to keep at least a 10 inch space between the steering wheel and your breast bone. If you can't, you've got a case for an on/off switch which I wish I could get. It's interesting that my F150 defaults to air bag off for the passenger. I'd hate to be four bying and have mine discharge. 
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The point of the seatbelt is to stop you from bouncing off the dashboard, not to protect you from the airbag. I'm sure I don't need to bring up the stats of wearing a seat belt verse not wearing one. Hell, a lady got killed not to long ago near here in a 15mph parking lot accident from not wearing a belt. Can statistics be misleading? Yes. But I trust the NHTSA as a reliable source. Even if they only add 9% in protection... I'd like to have as much protection in my favor as possible during an accident. I'm an EMT, I've seen what accidents do to people- you want everything you can on your side during a wreck. Safety features in general increase in protection and effeciney as time goes on- notice how cars not even that old didn't have 3 point belts or headrests. Airbags are the same.
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Alright "Bag Gurus" (  ) I usually drive with one hand on the wheel at 8 o clock, and the other gripping the autoshifter for stability around hard corners. If that doesn't say anything, let's just say the SE "super-fitted" seats do not keep my ass where it's supposed to be on my hard turns  Would I end up with anything broken from an airbag?
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Look, I read that same study where Matt R's statistics came from and frankly, statistics bore me to death. And, I'm not all that moved by statistics because of how they are gathered. To me many times statistics = fuzzy math. However it was interesting to note, if we can believe the statistics, that air bags only contribute a 9% increase in protection if you are already using your belts properly. In overall injury reduction, they only contributed to a 7% increase in protection while using your belts.
For someone that doesn't like statistics because of fuzzy math you sure do succumb to the much more 'fuzzy' concept of an Average. Statistics aren't so bad if you know how to read them.
Yes, overall, airbags provide "only" a 9% decrease in injury over just wearing your seatbelt. Frankly I don't see a 10% decrease in serious injuries and a 5% less chance of dying as "only" anything, but apparently you do, but whatever. But that's because they actually increase the odds of injuries to your less-important parts of your body while vastly decreasing the odds of injury to your all-important head.
While you are 50% more likely to hurt your arms in a vehicle with airbags you are half as likely to sustain a serious head injury over just the seatbelt. While on average, those 2 figures basically cancel themselves out, making it appear that airbags provide no significant gain over seatbelts, in reality, I'd much rather have a broken arm than a broken neck or skull.
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Originally posted by sigma:
While you are 50% more likely to hurt your arms in a vehicle with airbags you are half as likely to sustain a serious head injury over just the seatbelt. While on average, those 2 figures basically cancel themselves out, making it appear that airbags provide no significant gain over seatbelts, in reality, I'd much rather have a broken arm than a broken neck or skull.
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Originally posted by Pre98:
Originally posted by sigma:
While you are 50% more likely to hurt your arms in a vehicle with airbags you are half as likely to sustain a serious head injury over just the seatbelt. While on average, those 2 figures basically cancel themselves out, making it appear that airbags provide no significant gain over seatbelts, in reality, I'd much rather have a broken arm than a broken neck or skull.
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True, a broken arm will heal and just make life a tad more difficult for a few months. A broken skull/neck, if it doesn't kill you, can make you a vegi for the rest of your life.
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Can someone fix this link? It doesn't work anymore...
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Originally posted by Matt R:
Can someone fix this link? It doesn't work anymore...
Try this
Not sure why the original is not good anymore. 
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Do you have like 6 kids or what?
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Can u ask him to measure his shaft and compare it to your shaft?
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Originally posted by BlackBirdRacing:
Do you have like 6 kids or what?
Me?
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