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How does Mexico treat its illegals?
Apr 6, 2006 by Larry Elder
"We can't infringe upon the right of people to move freely within our territory," said Mexican President Vicente Fox during President George W. Bush's recent visit. Earlier, Fox said he stood by the statement he previously made to the BBC: "I dare say that in 10 years, the U.S. will be begging, will be pleading with Mexico to send it workers."
Does Mexico practice what it preaches?
First, Mexico put its military and police forces on its porous, zigzagged, mountainous, crime-ridden southern border with Guatemala. Chiapas -- the South Carolina-sized southern Mexican state that shares the longest border with Guatemala -- is Mexico's poorest, most illiterate state. About Chiapas, one United Nations human rights commissioner said, "Mexico is one of the countries where illegal immigrants are highly vulnerable to human rights violations and become victims of degrading sexual exploitation and slavery-like practices, and are denied access to education and health care."
Typically, when Mexican authorities catch illegal aliens, they place them overnight in a detention center, then bus or fly them back to their country of origin. Despite the fact that Mexico militarized its border and deported 203,128 illegal immigrants in 2004, many illegals get through by bribing corrupt military and police.
Do Mexicans appreciate the way America has allowed so many poor, Mexican illegals to enter the United States? No. According to a recent Zogby poll, 73 percent of Mexicans call Americans "racist"! When asked whether the United States' wealth comes from freedom and "plenty of opportunity to work," 70 percent of Americans agreed, while only 22 percent of Mexicans agreed. Sixty-two percent of Mexicans said America became wealthy because "it exploits others' wealth."
While Americans, according to the poll, see Mexicans as hard-working (78 percent), Mexicans think of Americans as racist, intolerant and not very hard-working.
Racist?
Mexico should look in the mirror. According to the Houston Chronicle's Rachel Graves, around the turn of the 17th century, Mexico imported more African slaves than anywhere else in the New World. As a result, tens of thousands of blacks (no one knows for sure -- the Mexican census does not recognize them) live in Mexico, mostly in destitute villages in its poorest states. An estimated 30,000 to 40,000 blacks live in Costa Chica.
How do they fare? According to the Houston Chronicle, many are illiterate, struggling to get a decent education for their children from government schools. One Costa Chica missionary says, "The kids here are considered by their teachers to be largely unteachable." When stopped by the police, Mexican blacks are often instructed to sing the Mexican national anthem to prove their citizenship!
If so many Mexicans consider Americans racist, why do polls show that nearly half of Mexico's inhabitants say that their lives would improve if they could work here illegally?
Intolerant?
America legally accepts about one million immigrants per year, with perhaps as many as 12 million people living here illegally, about half of whom come from Mexico. Many estimate that 500,000 or more people enter the country illegally every year. California Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante is Hispanic. So is the man who holds the powerful position of speaker of the California Assembly. Los Angeles, America's second-largest city, has a Hispanic mayor, and of the 54 members of California's congressional delegation, nine are Hispanic. The former governor of California once proposed granting driver's licenses to illegals. And in California, under some circumstances, an illegal alien can apply for the cheaper in-state college tuition. Many predict the Hispanic governor of New Mexico, Bill Richardson, former Clinton Cabinet member, will run for president.
Not very hard-working?
According to the International Labor Organization, Americans work more than almost anybody in the developed world, including Japan. The average American worked 1,824 hours in 2004, compared with the Spanish at 1,799 and the French at 1,441 hours. The Dutch put in even less -- working 25 percent fewer hours than Americans.
President Bush, against the wishes of many in his own party as well of half of all Americans, makes the reasonable case for a guest worker program that would allow or provide some sort of legal status for those living here illegally. Latino "activists" do that cause harm by staging protests and waving the Mexican flag and demanding their "rights." For example, Juan Jose Gutierrez of Latino Movement USA says, "We think that the right thing to do is to grant full rights, full equality, under the laws in the Constitution of the United States, to all immigrants, period."
Americans raise legitimate concerns about the competition illegals pose to unskilled labor, and that illegals cut in front of people already waiting in line to get in the country legally. Americans resent expenditures for illegals on education and health care, and problems posed by some who commit additional crime in America. Illegals' attitude of entitlement helps to explain the growing anger Americans feel toward illegal aliens. Students leaving high schools, waving Mexican flags and chanting "Si se puede" do President Bush -- and their "cause" -- no favor. __________________
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That P's me off when other countries say Americans arent hard working...Thats funny, actually we work the most, and unlike the rest of the lazy world, our days usually start at around 6-8am while in Mexico their lazy asses are still sleeping, starting their day closer to noon......
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Originally posted by Who the F are You?: California Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante is Hispanic. So is the man who holds the powerful position of speaker of the California Assembly. Los Angeles, America's second-largest city, has a Hispanic mayor, and of the 54 members of California's congressional delegation, nine are Hispanic. The former governor of California once proposed granting driver's licenses to illegals. And in California, under some circumstances, an illegal alien can apply for the cheaper in-state college tuition.
and so many CEGers hate California....hmmm...coincidence...?
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The US Govt. is not representing it's people. A recent study showed the vast majority of Americans want illegal immigration to end. When will the Govt. act upon the peoples interests? http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/27/D8GK40R09.html Quote:
Most people in the United States think illegal immigration is a serious problem. A solid majority oppose making it easier for illegal immigrants to become legal workers or citizens.
Some findings in recent polling:
_ Some 59 percent say they oppose allowing illegal immigrants to apply for legal, temporary-worker status, an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll found.
_ More than six in 10, 62 percent, say they oppose making it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens, according to a Quinnipiac University poll. Nine in 10 in that poll say they consider immigration to be a serious problem _ with 57 percent of those polled saying very serious.
_ Three-fourths say the United States is not doing enough along its borders to keep illegal immigrants out, a Time Magazine poll found.
The NBC-WSJ poll was taken in March, Quinnipiac in February and Time in January. The NBC-WSJ and Time polls surveyed about 1,000 adults and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The Quinnipiac poll of 1,892 registered voters had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.
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We cannot however base how we treat immigrants, whether legal or illegal, on how other countries treat them. We are far better already then all other countries in that respect. It comes down to this: The United States has nothing against legal immigration. As a matter of fact it is what we were founded on. If however the first act you do on our soil is to break our laws then we have a problem no matter how many times you chant â??God Bless America.â? To say that there are â??jobs Americans are unwilling to doâ? is a racist statement. You are essentially saying that only illegal immigrants qualify for those jobs. What job is an American unwilling to do? What happens when you grant amnesty to all of the illegal aliens currently here and they become â??Americansâ?? Do they all of a sudden become unwilling to do these certain jobs? Go after the employers of illegal aliens. They are the ones that take advantage of these â??guest workersâ?. They can pay them whatever they want or even change that amount on whim. These workers have no legal status and can easily be manipulated because of that. In turn the families of illegal aliens are forced to abuse our medical, educational, and welfare systems to simply make it by.
Taking away illegal immigrants will not collapse our economy. Quite the contrary, in the long term we will develop technologies that will limit the need for certain manual labor positions. In turn increasing our overall GDP and become stronger as a nation.
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Originally posted by DESIGN: We cannot however base how we treat immigrants, whether legal or illegal, on how other countries treat them. We are far better already then all other countries in that respect. It comes down to this: The United States has nothing against legal immigration. As a matter of fact it is what we were founded on. If however the first act you do on our soil is to break our laws then we have a problem no matter how many times you chant â??God Bless America.â? To say that there are â??jobs Americans are unwilling to doâ? is a racist statement. You are essentially saying that only illegal immigrants qualify for those jobs. What job is an American unwilling to do? What happens when you grant amnesty to all of the illegal aliens currently here and they become â??Americansâ?? Do they all of a sudden become unwilling to do these certain jobs? Go after the employers of illegal aliens. They are the ones that take advantage of these â??guest workersâ?. They can pay them whatever they want or even change that amount on whim. These workers have no legal status and can easily be manipulated because of that. In turn the families of illegal aliens are forced to abuse our medical, educational, and welfare systems to simply make it by.
Taking away illegal immigrants will not collapse our economy. Quite the contrary, in the long term we will develop technologies that will limit the need for certain manual labor positions. In turn increasing our overall GDP and become stronger as a nation.
But the politicians and the media are not pushing an 'anti-illegal immigration' bill as they should, they are strongly pushing an 'anti-immigration' policy and the uneducated immigrant population has bought it hook, line, and sinker...
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I think the government is considering the enormous cost to deport illegal immigrants back to Mexico. I've heard there are 7 million or more living in the U.S. illegally. 5 years ago, I had never seen a Mexican where I live but now I see them often. Farmers plant huge fields of tomatoes and the Mexicans pick the tomatoes.
I'm just guessing but I think there are a lot more then 7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.
I think the solution would be to make it possible for Mexicans to get work Visas and work legally.
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Originally posted by NO 4 EVR: That P's me off when other countries say Americans arent hard working...Thats funny, actually we work the most, and unlike the rest of the lazy world, our days usually start at around 6-8am while in Mexico their lazy asses are still sleeping, starting their day closer to noon......
Hell, I dont get out of bed until after 9AM.
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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
I'm just guessing but I think there are a lot more then 7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.
hell, there are 7 million living in Los Angeles alone! 
alright everyone, lets here the same old arguments we've heard 17 times this year already....
btw (no one in particular) if you have the solution all figured out, why do you keep telling us? why dont you keep bugging your congressman?? ranting in here wont do a damn thing. its already been proven you wont change anyone's stance on the issue.
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In the Congo, if you don't have the proper passport, visa, and mining pass, you will be thrown in prison and risk your passport being burnt.
In our country, I think we've treated illegal aliens like legal aliens long enough.
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