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#1545782 05/03/06 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by ElKy:
try and reprogram your current keys..
maybe they lost the program somehow.

or doe the pats work by recognizing a specific key?

i dont know much about the pats.





to program new keys yourself you need two working keys, but since this is a 98 you might be able to use one key. also they key doesn't get programmed, the PATs system is set up to recognize the key as the key is passive so it can't be programed. I am currently using a set of keys from a 98 SVT that I programmed for my car! if the keys don't work then the dealer would ahve to go into the PATs module and set it back up and program the keys into it, I have heard this takes an hour to do


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how far is the next closest dealership?


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Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
how far is the next closest dealership?





Not sure. A ways...


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#1545785 05/03/06 06:32 PM
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Yo Mikey... Rodman isn't that far. It's right up route one across from the stadium. I don't know how much of a difference it would make in towing though. But it very well might be worth it because it is never worth bringing your car to Pride. WAY too many bad experiences...


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As far as I know you do need to have two keys that the PATS recognizes in order to program in another. If you don't have two then the PATS computer in the car needs to be reconfigured and the equipment to do that is a dealer only unit. You can't buy one, a non-dealer shop can't buy one, even a towing company can't buy one.

I had to have the PATS reprogrammed on my SVT. I waited about 30 min. but it took them about 10 min. and the guy in the parts room did it. Its just a matter of hooking the unit up to the connector inside the car, and putting one key in the ignition and turn it on, then do the same with the next key and so on for as many keys as there are.

My Haynes manual doesn't even mention a PATS system. I don't have a CD-ROM manual so I can't say if there is anything about PATS in there.


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Originally posted by cannondalemtb:
Yo Mikey... Rodman isn't that far. It's right up route one across from the stadium. I don't know how much of a difference it would make in towing though. But it very well might be worth it because it is never worth bringing your car to Pride. WAY too many bad experiences...




That's true, I had forgotten about that one. I'll mention that to Jason. He had mentioned how little he liked Pride.

I was thinking Milford or Westboro were the other closest dealers. I wish I could get it here to Westboro, as it would be easy to ride to work, then ride down there, pick it up and drive home. (Assuming it will ever drive again!)


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Called the shop on the way home. It is the "alarm thingie" he says. One of his guys ran a bunch of tests (he couldn't tell me specifically what) but the starter and fuel pump are not getting power.

I don't know what else to do. I guess we will have him tow it to a Ford dealer.


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Originally posted by Bicycle commuter :
Called the shop on the way home. It is the "alarm thingie" he says. One of his guys ran a bunch of tests (he couldn't tell me specifically what) but the starter and fuel pump are not getting power.

I don't know what else to do. I guess we will have him tow it to a Ford dealer.




So I called him back and got our total $$. He is charging for the tows (to him and from him to Ford) but not too bad. For all the testing etc. he is only charging $25. I said "are you sure" (stupid thing to say), he said well we didn't really fix anything...

Called the Ford Dealer to have them expect it. I told the service guy what was going on and what I had replaced. He didn't seem to care. I told him we suspected PATS, he said it couldn't be that since if it is PATS it will still crank, it just shuts down fuel and spark.

I'm getting really frustrated by all of this. I guess we will see what they say. They might be able to find time to look at it tomorrow.


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I'm sorry but the car will not crank if you don't have a working PATs key as it reads the key in the run position before you read the start position, this happened when I was programming my keys, the PATs led went crazy and the car didn't crank ...


hell when I get home I will try starting my car with a non-pats key and I will let you know what happens ...


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Originally posted by BrApple:
I'm sorry but the car will not crank if you don't have a working PATs key as it reads the key in the run position before you read the start position, this happened when I was programming my keys, the PATs led went crazy and the car didn't crank ...

hell when I get home I will try starting my car with a non-pats key and I will let you know what happens ...




Great. Well it was just a dumb a@# service advisor... Maybe I'll run down there (30 minute drive) tonight and try to reprogram the keys. I do have 2 working, well they used to work...


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