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The only thing you've based your opinion on that I can see is that you have a "feeling". That "feeling" and 50 cents will get you a coke. Sorry but I'm more inclined to believe the people who actually study this stuff than you. I'm sure that any wisdom or knowledge that I could bring to this thread would never compare to "this whole global warming thing is BS". 
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good god... why can't people be level headed about things?
it's obvious the climate shifts over the millenia, and it's obvious that we have polluted out environment as well. but it will be hundreds and hundreds of years before our input on the environment chenges it drastically enough to cause major problems. i would imagine we will have advanced enough in that time (look at the last 100 yrs for a curve) to clean up the problem.
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The whole deal is this...
Global warming IS a cycle, these is no doubt about it. The thing environmentalists are saying, is that man's role is affecting the cycle even more. Greenhouse gases are forcing the change to happen before it is suppose to and the result "flip side" of the warming will not occur as it has in the past, but it will be warmer.
Anyone that says GW is BS, is uneducated. Simply put. If you would like to argue about the reality of this, I can forward you to a few professors I know who have their docterate (or w/e its called) in the environmental studies field, and have studied the effects worldwide for several years. I'm sure other students on the boards could do the same if requested.
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from what i recall mother nature will always balance itself out. I forget what the theory is, but the point is we will all be wiped off the earth before we can devastate the planet past the point of no return (i hope. Maybe world war 3 with nukes might push it past that point)
If it makes your conscious that much clearer go and buy a hybrid or electric car, put some solar panels on your house, erect a wind turbine. Become a hippy. Sad fact is there isnt the critical mass needed for a truly global shift of attitude towards the environment, though i am kind of digressing from just plain ol global warming.
Who ever brought up the ozone holes has a great point. We need time, patience and a little understanding before we can go saying that the end is nigh!
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Im suprised no one has mentioned. Michael crichtons latest book "State of fear" It was very controversial(spelling?) because it delt with global warming, and that humans may have a much smaller part in mother natures cycle than we all think(or the governments wants us to believe). Anyways a very good read. People should check it out. It def, made me think, esp. being raised by a single tree hugging hippie mom. 
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Originally posted by Sl33stak:
If you do your homeowrk you will learn that the planet goes through ice ages periodicaly. But what most people DON'T KNOW is that we are STILL IN ONE! Albeit we are in the tail end of the last one, look at when the dinosaurs lived...the WHOLE PLANET was a tropical place, that is why in SIBERIA they have found frozen remnants of tropical plants. So if the polar caps are indeed melting (which I am sure they are) then it is supposed to happen, I guess we might be accelrating this phenomenon a bit though. But all in all this is what our planet does, it goes through cycles. Big freakin deal, just don't by beachfront....duh. 
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close, but not quite right. The earth goes threw a warm spell then gets hit by an ice age. The warm spells normally last for around 10000 years and the ice ages last for 100000(?). We are at the tail end of the warm spell. Look at a graph of the planets average temps and one will see that when the Pangea was around it was VERY warm because of the currents of the oceans and all that good stuff. so when the continents started to drift it altered the currents and thus the the climate changed. This is all just the earths normal cycle of heating up and cooling off. Earth heats up, glacial ice melts and makes the seawater not as salty and that changes the current. With out the current we get nice hurricanes and droughts in certain areas and floods in others. To think that humans are so powerful that we can change the earth so much is complete and utter ignorance and arrogence. This is a natural cycle of the earth folks, data proves it, the media wants a story.
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Originally posted by elraido:
Originally posted by Sl33stak:
If you do your homeowrk you will learn that the planet goes through ice ages periodicaly. But what most people DON'T KNOW is that we are STILL IN ONE! Albeit we are in the tail end of the last one, look at when the dinosaurs lived...the WHOLE PLANET was a tropical place, that is why in SIBERIA they have found frozen remnants of tropical plants. So if the polar caps are indeed melting (which I am sure they are) then it is supposed to happen, I guess we might be accelrating this phenomenon a bit though. But all in all this is what our planet does, it goes through cycles. Big freakin deal, just don't by beachfront....duh.
P.S. Read "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson.
The ebook is on limewire...but you didn't hear it from me
close, but not quite right. The earth goes threw a warm spell then gets hit by an ice age. The warm spells normally last for around 10000 years and the ice ages last for 100000(?). We are at the tail end of the warm spell. Look at a graph of the planets average temps and one will see that when the Pangea was around it was VERY warm because of the currents of the oceans and all that good stuff. so when the continents started to drift it altered the currents and thus the the climate changed. This is all just the earths normal cycle of heating up and cooling off. Earth heats up, glacial ice melts and makes the seawater not as salty and that changes the current. With out the current we get nice hurricanes and droughts in certain areas and floods in others. To think that humans are so powerful that we can change the earth so much is complete and utter ignorance and arrogence. This is a natural cycle of the earth folks, data proves it, the media wants a story.
Dude.....read a book, we JUST CAME OUT OF AN ICE AGE (just came out being a relative term). If we were just comming out of a "warming trend" then WHY IS THE EARTH WARMING UP!?!?  Think about it.
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lol @ the ignorance in this thread!
Dave we do not have a hundred years or so to fix this prob. Regardless of this being an issue that we sped up or if it is completely natural...(BS, we sped it up)
If the projections are correct we are going to melt the ice caps in a matter of 30 or so years. The funny thing is you guys are all skeptical, but I have no reason to be. My prof, Dr. Greg Sibley, told me damn near 2 years ago the same thing that article just told me. I was skeptical then, but now that I am reading this in TIME magazine and it is like I am re-reading my notes from class. Sadly 2 years ago I wasn't taking my notes on my laptop, but if I find them I will be more than happy to type them up and post em.
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Originally posted by elraido:
To think that humans are so powerful that we can change the earth so much is complete and utter ignorance and arrogence.
Hmm so gigatons of nuclear weaponry dosen't count then? Yea that dosen't have the power to change anything.
Seriously, regardless of who or what is causing this, natural or not - it's going to start affecting human civilization in the next 100 years or so. Millions of people living in low-lying coastal areas for instance. So Trying to cooperate with the planet's natural cycles instead of aggrivating them or ignoring them is in our best collective interests, no matter which school of thought you subscribe to. We depend on the planets ecosystem to survive every day. Why continue to make the problem worse, even if we're not "sure" of it?
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I'm utterly confused on the entire subject; I've read reputable pieces from those that say humans are the one's that are almost solely responsible for the upcoming "sauna" that the polar regions will see and I've read works from reputable folks that pretty much debunk that and pass it off as a natural "warming phase" that the planet is seeing and human effects are practically nil...
I'm nowhere near intelligent enough in regard to climatology to make sense of half of the data that both sides are pointing to so I'm absolutely flummoxed by it all.
I don't think that there is any doubt that the majority of climates on the planet are seeing consistently warmer than average temperatures, but as to who is more culpable for the issue (the planet or humans) is the key to the debate.
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