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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
You ordered the non-revised studs.
All Duratec engines require the revised studs to use the revised (YL8Z) oil pickup and windage tray. (All 01+ engines come with these revisions)
If you don't order the revised bolts does it make the pick up tube support bracket off a bit?
I think that's what I might have done....
It would make it off noticeably and likely cause oil starvation.
{soap box}
It would not be the first time this happened either. For some reason many foolish people bend the stock pickup bracket or just cut it off instead of spending the $15 to get the correct pickup.  You can imagine the number of oil starvation failures that SNAFU caused.  You would not believe the excuses and places they put the blame too... 
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Delicately put...as usual. 
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
You ordered the non-revised studs.
All Duratec engines require the revised studs to use the revised (YL8Z) oil pickup and windage tray. (All 01+ engines come with these revisions)
If you don't order the revised bolts does it make the pick up tube support bracket off a bit?
I think that's what I might have done....
It would make it off noticeably and likely cause oil starvation.
{soap box}
It would not be the first time this happened either. For some reason many foolish people bend the stock pickup bracket or just cut it off instead of spending the $15 to get the correct pickup. You can imagine the number of oil starvation failures that SNAFU caused. You would not believe the excuses and places they put the blame too...
Hmm, I cut mine off, at the time I just said 'f it'. I have 9k on the motor so far, with a mech pressure gauge and she seems to be all right. I plan on fixing it in the near future. *slaps self*
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I do believe Terry posted on this issue a long time ago saying that the support was added after testing. It seems the tubes were breaking where they were brazed to the mounting flange that bolts to the oil pump. So, if you cut off the support, you're working with a timebomb.
Rick
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TH...not a good idea.During the early development of the
2.5 V6,between the Porsche and Ford stage,it was found
that the oil pickup(un-braced at that time) would
suffer harmonic vibration and would,during extended
durability testing,cause the brazed tube connections
to crack at the flange to the oil pump and in some
cases the pickup cone/screen connection.This would
cause air to be drawn iinto the lube system and,in
very bad cases,total loss of draw to the oil pump.The
brace was added to prevent this.But hey,WTF do engine
engineers know about engine design and durability
testing!....Get a new puckup,the correct bolt and do
the damm job right....If you want to be an engine
engineer then go to school an proove it,don't be a
hack!
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Damn my memory is good! Now where the hell are my keys and what's my name.....
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Originally posted by Buckshot77:
I do believe Terry posted on this issue a long time ago saying that the support was added after testing. It seems the tubes were breaking where they were brazed to the mounting flange that bolts to the oil pump. So, if you cut off the support, you're working with a timebomb.
Rick
I realized that after I put the motor together, but shortly there after broke the clutch/tranny. I'll be fixing it soon.
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Originally posted by todras:
TH...not a good idea.During the early development of the
2.5 V6,between the Porsche and Ford stage,it was found
that the oil pickup(un-braced at that time) would
suffer harmonic vibration and would,during extended
durability testing,cause the brazed tube connections
to crack at the flange to the oil pump and in some
cases the pickup cone/screen connection.This would
cause air to be drawn iinto the lube system and,in
very bad cases,total loss of draw to the oil pump.The
brace was added to prevent this.But hey,WTF do engine
engineers know about engine design and durability
testing!....Get a new puckup,the correct bolt and do
the damm job right....If you want to be an engine
engineer then go to school an proove it,don't be a
hack!
It is great to see that Terry has not changed a bit. I always enjoyed his posts and it was a treat talking to him on the few occasions that I did. Terry FTW.
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Originally posted by todras:
.But hey,WTF do engine
engineers know about engine design and durability
testing!....
hopefully more than the tranny engineers know! 
Ryan
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356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
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'06 Mazda5 Touring, 5spd,MTX, Black
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