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#1529005 03/20/06 02:29 AM
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It all about controlling the boost. With a JRSC, it provides linear boost. That why the torque curve is similar to a NA engine. With a turbo, you start building boost much earlier, that's where the massive amount of torque comes from.

With a boost controller that does RPM based boost, you can have a very mild torque curve, just like a supercharger.

A turbo is still definitely not for the ATX owner that isn't prepared to replace theirs if/when it blows. I'm taking every precaution that I can with my ATX. (Boost controller, synthetic ATX fluid, tranny cooler, etc.)

Here's the compressor maps that I promised...

TE04H-13C11 with an 85% VE

TE04H-13C11 with an 100% VE

TE04H-13C11 with an 85% VE showing all possible PR's


The first pic shows two boost levels (7.35psi and 10.29psi). It is with a 85% VE. This is what you would see with a stock Zetec.

The second shows two boost levels with a 100% VE. This is what you would see with a FRPP head, intake, and cams.

The last pic shows all boost levels with a 85% VE. It also has approximate horsepower values across the bottom.

You can see that with a stock Zetec, at 6500rpms, you are on the extrememe edge of the map. This means a whole lot of hot air. On the plus side, this turbo is going to start building boost very early. The boost threshold is right around 1500rpms.

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Originally posted by shamun:
Shorty or factory Focus headers won't work with my 96 Zetec because of the A/C (or is it alt) bracket.




I dug up a pic. Check it out.

The stock Focus header should clear just fine. Unless the aftermarket ones really swing wide towards the PS pump, there shouldn't be a problem.

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Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by striker2:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
(* [Subliminal message] MAKE IT FIT THE ATX CARS TOO [/Subliminal message] *)

What was that? Anybody hear something???




*It will break your ATX*




it probably would but if we had a donner car that we could dyno for the chip we could de tune it some so it wouldnt be so hard on the tranny.

as for fitment it should fit the atx just fine.


The torque any turbo would create would break it.




It would make YOUR CD4E break. Not mine. Your kung-fu is not strong.

A little more thinkin' outside the box Hector & you'll get it. You were already thinking outside the box with your supercharger project and did an excellent job with it. Quite exciting to hear/see the teaser vids you made. I'll be taking things with a turbo & tranny in slightly different directions, so I should be able to manage the turbo power & ATX functions to a point where it will last a few years minimum. If not, I'm prepared to replace the tranny without b[self-sensored]g about it.

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Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by striker2:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
(* [Subliminal message] MAKE IT FIT THE ATX CARS TOO [/Subliminal message] *)

What was that? Anybody hear something???




*It will break your ATX*




it probably would but if we had a donner car that we could dyno for the chip we could de tune it some so it wouldnt be so hard on the tranny.

as for fitment it should fit the atx just fine.


The torque any turbo would create would break it.




It would make YOUR CD4E break. Not mine. Your kung-fu is not strong.

A little more thinkin' outside the box Hector & you'll get it. You were already thinking outside the box with your supercharger project and did an excellent job with it. Quite exciting to hear/see the teaser vids you made. I'll be taking things with a turbo & tranny in slightly different directions, so I should be able to manage the turbo power & ATX functions to a point where it will last a few years minimum. If not, I'm prepared to replace the tranny without b[self-sensored]g about it.


Good to hear. Just make sure to add the ATX cooler (couldn't remember if you did or not) and change the fluid more often. If you go turbo make sure to have a chip done to firm up the shifts/raise the shift points to take advantage of boost.


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Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Good to hear. Just make sure to add the ATX cooler (couldn't remember if you did or not) and change the fluid more often. If you go turbo make sure to have a chip done to firm up the shifts/raise the shift points to take advantage of boost.




Got it covered & more. Thanks Hector!

By the way, I'm hoping to see your family at a Dragon run in June or October this year. Might be one of our last as things are changing on the home front for us. Got a line on a brand new crib and may upgrade the 'Stique to a Grand Marquis or other. Opportunity is knockin' & dreams are coming to fruition.


Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Good to hear. Just make sure to add the ATX cooler (couldn't remember if you did or not) and change the fluid more often. If you go turbo make sure to have a chip done to firm up the shifts/raise the shift points to take advantage of boost.




Got it covered & more. Thanks Hector!

By the way, I'm hoping to see your family at a Dragon run in June or October this year. Might be one of our last as things are changing on the home front for us. Got a line on a brand new crib and may upgrade the 'Stique to a Grand Marquis or other. Opportunity is knockin' & dreams are coming to fruition.


I will be there in October with the Evo!


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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
may upgrade the 'Stique to a Grand Marquis or other.



Old guy!!!


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Originally posted by SVTfrog:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
may upgrade the 'Stique to a Grand Marquis or other.



Old guy!!!




Ever since my knee replacement, reality has been setting in with a vengence... Besides, I've had two of those big, safe, Grand Marquis before when my children were little. I like a RWD V-8 land yacht - especially now that comfort is getting more important.


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Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure excessive automatic transaxle wear and tear may start to show if you push that turbo more than 6-7 psi. Hell, the stock CV joints in Daytonas and Lasers were always going out from what my friends brother told me. He had a Dodge Daytona IROC with a few minor upgrades, and he was going through something like three pairs a year . I'd keep an eye out for that kind of stuff when you do put that turbo kit together Striker. Keep us posted! This is the most exciting thing to happen to the ZP area in months!!!


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Originally posted by TrolloMatic:
I'm pretty sure excessive automatic transaxle wear and tear may start to show if you push that turbo...




More than normal. Yes, no doubt about it. Excessive? I'm not so sure. If I ever get hold of one of those turbo setups for my V-6 or my Zetec, we will see for sure.


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