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...lets try this again!....ATF fluid is NOT the correct spec lube for ANY MTX75.....not any more!!!LOOK at the current Motorcraft/Ford Powertrain lube sheet...ATF is dead, gone, finished.....the hand books are wrong so ignore them!
Originally posted by svtavino:
Something interesting to think about Honda Specs synthetic motor oil for their manual transmission.
So it seems Honda are as crazy as Ford & TH...no 'gear
oil' here either...tut tut!!!
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Originally posted by todras:
From TH
....ENGINE OIL!....is what Amsoil spec for the MTX!!
www.amsoil.com/storefront/afl.aspx
So 2 suppliers spec an engine oil...well no s**t! A synth engine oil is the base for honey, well well....no gear oil
huh!!!!
Whats funny is that the Redline Oil representative was the very first to point this out in one of our emails after the first oil analysis; which I posted in the everlasting thread.
I can't imagine now why everyone else acts like this is now "obvious"!
It is very obvious that there is no "one solution" to this problem. Taste has as much to do with it.
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well, I am about to leave to go get tranny fluid to change. I will be good with just getting any full synthetic 5w40?
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Originally posted by Hunt:
well, I am about to leave to go get tranny fluid to change. I will be good with just getting any full synthetic 5w40?
Did you read anything?  Royal Purple doesn't even advise that weight. They also have a special formulation of a 10 w/40. That's the last thing I'd run. Synchromax is the only thing I'd run besides the Ford Honey.
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Well, my personal take on this everlasting headache of a topic is this:
Ford is a company out to make money. I feel that this "spec" is more an accounting decision than an engineering one. By specing a fluid that only they make, they can VERY easily deny warranty claims, thus boosting profits as warranty claims eat into profits and compound losses. Now, as if that's not enough, they have effectivly forced you to buy the "honey" at $20/quart (cost them at most $4-$5) or run the risk of a warranty denial.
Remember, an engineer calls for a stud, an accountant calls for a bolt. Tally up the number of bolts vs. studs in our drivelines and you can see who is winning the engineer vs. accountant battle. Bottom line is this ... the bottom line is what's most important for Ford and specing "honey" is good for the bottom line.
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Originally posted by fastcougar:
Well, my personal take on this everlasting headache of a topic is this:
Ford is a company out to make money. I feel that this "spec" is more an accounting decision than an engineering one. By specing a fluid that only they make, they can VERY easily deny warranty claims, thus boosting profits as warranty claims eat into profits and compound losses. Now, as if that's not enough, they have effectivly forced you to buy the "honey" at $20/quart (cost them at most $4-$5) or run the risk of a warranty denial.
Remember, an engineer calls for a stud, an accountant calls for a bolt. Tally up the number of bolts vs. studs in our drivelines and you can see who is winning the engineer vs. accountant battle. Bottom line is this ... the bottom line is what's most important for Ford and specing "honey" is good for the bottom line.
I'm sorry but that's the funniest thing I've ever read on the lube subject. Do you have any idea of what it cost ford to develop the honey? They had ATX fluid spec'd. It's not the greatest but it worked fine. Some where along the line they discovered it was a sub par lubricant for the transmission so they had Castrol in Germany develop a better fluid. I'm sure that cost Ford quite a bit. Remember the honey came as factory fill on later transmissions and a TSB was put out to put it in early trans. with shifting issues. I don't think a few gallons of oil a year in the USA(almost all auto's!) is going to put up the Ford share prices that much! 
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You just made my point for me ... Ford spent money to respec the fluild to stop the warranty claims, which cost them far more than the respecing process. Do you truely believe that "honey" cost 3 times more to produce than other similarly speced synthetic fluids out there? No, it doesn't ...
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And you made my point. LOL! To keep warranty costs down they developed a better fluid. Was probably cheaper in the long run. How are they making all this $ on Honey?
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..if Ford has already written the spec of the oil
and charging us for that 'development' why then
doesn't another lube producer 'match' that spec, via
testing etc, which is part of the spec, and produce an
oil that is cheaper? This is not a Ford issue it's the
other lubes that won't take the time to read the
spec, formulate what oil they have, test it & match
'honey'....You could just roll the dice and ignore
Ford's specs, but then Ford have specs for ALL lubes
etc, as do all mfg's..
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Originally posted by todras:
..if Ford has already written the spec of the oil
and charging us for that 'development' why then
doesn't another lube producer 'match' that spec, via
testing etc, which is part of the spec, and produce an
oil that is cheaper? This is not a Ford issue it's the
other lubes that won't take the time to read the
spec, formulate what oil they have, test it & match
'honey'....You could just roll the dice and ignore
Ford's specs, but then Ford have specs for ALL lubes
etc, as do all mfg's..
I know I said I would not continue posting on this thread, but sometimes the bait is just too compelling to keep from responding.
And just how is another lube company going to get that information from Ford? From what Terry said, that information is confidential.
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